🚀 go-pugleaf

"az-willie" <sclause@npole.com> wrote in message
news:aqIEg.204798$k%3.95987@dukeread12...
> Curt said on 8/16/2006 10:18 AM:
> > "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

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> >>>>
> >>> I think just the "fine the holy piss" option would do just fine.
> >>>
> >> Disagree curt, they know damn well they are breaking the law. They are
> >> criminals. If you are going to hand out justice and be fair about it
> >> (Remember the blindfold on the statue of liberty?) it has got to be
> >> across the board. You have to send a signal that this will not be
> >> tolerated by any criminal be they a big criminal or a small one. That
is
> >> being fair.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Well, no, they're not criminals. It's not a crime to be an illegal
alien.
> > You can't go to jail for it. You can only be deported.
> >
> >
> ===========
> Actually, they can go to jail for it. They can be charged with
> conspiracy to smuggle which is a felony.
> And, if caught a second time, they can get 6 months ( without any
> conspiracy rap .. just being illegal ).
> ===========

I'll take your word for that, although I've never heard of it happening.
Conspiracy to smuggle what? Themselves?


> >
> >>   These folks
> >>
> >>> are coming here for work, after all, not for the company. If the work
> >>>
> > wasn't
> >
> >>> here, neither would be the folks. Another option -- just let them be
> >>> citizens.
> >>>
> ===========
> Strange the newspaper in Mexico city has over 100 pages of help wanted
ads.
> There is plenty of work in Mexico. But they don't like the wages.
>
> Can't say I blame them for not liking their countries economic system ..
> but they should stay home and revolt and fix their own house.
>
> Seems I saw an article just recently that only 5% of the illegals
> surveyed had been unemployed at home.
> ===========

Fair enough. But work that doesn't pay enough to keep you around

.
> >> Bullcrap! Bullcrap! Bullcrap! If you did this, what kind of signal do
> >> you think this will send to those NOT breaking the law and jumping the
> >> line? Man think this through.
> >>
> >
> > I have, believe it or not. My deal is, I don't care if they're not
white. I
> > just want them to stop depressing wages. If they were legal workers,
they
> > wouldn't be depressing wages. They could unionize, refuse to work unpaid
> > overtime, file OSHA complaints, etc etc. That's my only issue with
illegal
> > immigration.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> >
> =========
> Very true. One solution is to grant instant citizenship at the border.
> Then employers couldn't brow beat them with threats of calling
Immigration.
>
> That won't happen though, because business WANTS them to be illegal so
> they can be forced to work for low wages in crappy unsafe conditions to
> increase their profit.

Well I don't want to grant instant citizenship either, realistically. But
it's a solution that would accomplish what I want to happen as regards
wages.

Curt