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Curt said on 8/16/2006 10:18 AM:
> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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>> Curt wrote:
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>>> "Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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>>>> ~^*^~ wrote:
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>>>>> It is not necessary to deport any of them if you prevent them from
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>>> working
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>>>>> in our country.  Do that and they'll go home.
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>>>> No they won't social services will be overloaded which will make social
>>>> services happy because they can ask for a bigger budget next time
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> around
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>>>> hiring even more people who want to do as little as they can (Because
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>>>> being a govt employee) to get a check. Vicious circle. Do like they are
>>>> suppose to do and no more chain babies dropped her deport them and let
>>>> em cry their eyes out on the way back to Mexico and then the Presidente
>>>> of Mexico and the left can cry how cold callous the Republicans are.
>>>> Fine the holy piss out of companies that hiring the undocumented. It
>>>> will take awhile but it will send a strong message that we will not
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> over
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>>>> load our schools hospitals or public housing with people that do not
>>>> respect our laws. Worried about over crowding in jails with em? don't
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> be
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>>>> give em slop twice a day and they will not want to come back. We are
>>>> way, way way to generous to those who take jobs from others. If the
>>>> employers can't get cheap labor they will have to pay a better wage.
>>>> Increasing prices lower the tax burden on the lower wage earners or
>>>> eliminate it all together it will be like a wage increase to them which
>>>> means they will have more spendable income to stimulate the economy.
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>>> I think just the "fine the holy piss" option would do just fine.
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>> Disagree curt, they know damn well they are breaking the law. They are
>> criminals. If you are going to hand out justice and be fair about it
>> (Remember the blindfold on the statue of liberty?) it has got to be
>> across the board. You have to send a signal that this will not be
>> tolerated by any criminal be they a big criminal or a small one. That is
>> being fair.
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> Well, no, they're not criminals. It's not a crime to be an illegal alien.
> You can't go to jail for it. You can only be deported.
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Actually, they can go to jail for it. They can be charged with 
conspiracy to smuggle which is a felony.
And, if caught a second time, they can get 6 months ( without any 
conspiracy rap .. just being illegal ).
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>>   These folks
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>>> are coming here for work, after all, not for the company. If the work
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> wasn't
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>>> here, neither would be the folks. Another option -- just let them be
>>> citizens.
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Strange the newspaper in Mexico city has over 100 pages of help wanted ads.
There is plenty of work in Mexico. But they don't like the wages.

Can't say I blame them for not liking their countries economic system .. 
but they should stay home and revolt and fix their own house.

Seems I saw an article just recently that only 5% of the illegals 
surveyed had been unemployed at home.
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>> Bullcrap! Bullcrap! Bullcrap! If you did this, what kind of signal do
>> you think this will send to those NOT breaking the law and jumping the
>> line? Man think this through.
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> I have, believe it or not. My deal is, I don't care if they're not white. I
> just want them to stop depressing wages. If they were legal workers, they
> wouldn't be depressing wages. They could unionize, refuse to work unpaid
> overtime, file OSHA complaints, etc etc. That's my only issue with illegal
> immigration.
>
> Curt
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Very true. One solution is to grant instant citizenship at the border. 
Then employers couldn't brow beat them with threats of calling Immigration.

That won't happen though, because business WANTS them to be illegal so 
they can be forced to work for low wages in crappy unsafe conditions to 
increase their profit.


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