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A Christ and A Christian:  A dialogue

Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:42:44 GMT 

From: Rick Vaughn (unknown) 

Raymond Karczewski wrote: 

rv:  > Truth has fallen victim to your words AGAIN

rv:  > Raymond Karczewski: you can't edit out reality

rk: >> You see, no matter what assaults may be launched upon Truth in
order to smear it, distort it, and/or misdirect it, TRUTH STANDS
ETERNAL, unaffected by it all. 

rk: >> In describing the indestructible essence of such nondualistic 
(holistic/holy) TRUTH, a Spiritual Brother said it well when He said, 
"And the Gates of Hell shall not prevail
against it." > > Ray Karczewski 

Mr. Karczewski, 

rv: >  It is immensely disturbing to me that you claim to be a Christ,
yet have not bothered to properly quote the TRUE
and only Christ. 

rk:  Is not your "disturbance" tied to your belief that there is only
one TRUE Christ?

rk:  Such is the nature of dualistic suffering.  Your religious
conditioning has set you up for the lifelong stress which accompanies
the irresolvable dualistic energy of IGNORANCE.

rv: >  Read Matthew 16:18 to see what it was Jesus was referring
to. Better yet, read the WHOLE New Testament over. 

rk:  Why do you "believe" the words of a dead man written long ago, yet
not "believe" the words of a living man, written NOW? Surely you can see
that you are equally ignorant of both?

rk:  The fact is, you are not sufficiently aware of yourself to even
answer that simple question.  Both men are equally unknown to you.  You
are merely responding to words on a screen or those in a book.  But who
and what is it that is responding to each?  What is the source of your
discrimination that allows you to say there is only one TRUE Christ, and
you assert the one presently writing to you is NOT HIM?

rk:  You are merely playing mind games with yourself and coming up short
at that.

rv:  It is not TRUTH to which he refers, but his CHURCH. 

rk:  And it is TRUTH that I refer to and not HIS CHURCH.

rk:  So why do you insist upon holding me to his words?  The CHRIST that
I AM has nothing to do with the mythical image you have been conditioned
to worship.  You are wearing spiritual blinders, the type that make for
"the blind leading the blind." 

rv:  >  You have once again fallen victim to your own words... "...no
matter what assaults may be launched upon the Truth in order to smear
it, DISTORT it, and/or misdirect it, truth stands eternal, unaffected by
it all." 

rk:  I stand by those words.  Perhaps you will expand on and  clarify
your "fallen victim" parochial judgment?  Certainly such action would go
a long way toward bringing about the understanding you seek in this
relationship. 

rv:  >  Had you read the Words of Christ, you would also know that he
says He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life... and that no one can come
to the Father but by Him. 

rk:  As I too, am the Way, theTruth, and the Life.  But alas, just as
you did not understand what He meant by those words, you also do not
understand what I mean by those words.

rk:  If on the other hand you do not wish to waste everyone's time by
issuing forth empty Bible sound bytes and are willing to actually share
your deep understanding of those words, relating how you perceive the
words of a dead man should take precedence over the words of a living
man, both of whom share the same Infinite living Spirit of Intelligence,
i.e., TRUTH,  by all means state them NOW.  

rv: >  The greek, christos, simply means anointed. The Christ,
therefore, is the anointed one. 

rk:  Do you see how quick you are to revert to Satanic Knowledge so that
you may endlessly quibble and argue over dead concepts while never, ever
going beyond your circular, exhausting bickering  and thus affording
yourself the opportunity to touch the hem of TRUTH?  That is the sign of
your Spiritual Ignorance.  

rv:  >  In Matthew 16:18, Peter TRUTHFULLY answers Jesus'
question to him. Peter says, "You are the Christ." Notice, he did NOT
say, "You are a Christ." In the words of The Highlander... There can be
only one. (smile) 

rk:  How can I possibly "challenge" the word of a myth worshipping
ignoramus who must rely upon "The Highlander" for his Truth? (not
smiling)

rk:  What makes the words of Matthew, Peter or Jesus, three dead
Biblical characters of whom you have no understanding, any different
than the words of a living Ray Karczewski whom you also do not
understand?

rk:  Do not tarry at the superficial level of intellectual, religious
pitty-pat.  Delve deeply within to the core of your being and tell us
what resides there when you find yourself in a relationship which
mirrors such a religiously smug state of mind.

rv:  >  I got a little off tangent there, and I
apologize... or maybe I don't. 

rk:  Confusion and indecision is the very nature of a Satanic Driven
(Opposer) dualism-based intellect.  You've just demonstrated the Truism
of one who abides in Hell -- you're damned if you do and damned if you
don't.  

rv:  >  To me, it appears that for a man who claims to
have the truth, you don't. 

rk:   Your word "appears" indicates you speak of "appearances." 
Appearances are illusions.  Appearances are not TRUTH.  Yet you are
willing to judge and condemn another (you do understand condemnation,
don't you?) based on your own *partial* grasp of an illusion based
belief-ridden reality.  Now I ask you -- How intelligent is that?

rv:  > If you had the truth, you would have accepted the
truths about Jesus and stopped the heresy of saying that you are a
Christ as well. 

rk:  Spoken like any number of  ignorant, dependent, Bible thumping,
bigoted, mind controlled Christians who haven't a glimmer of
understanding of that unique, nondualistic, nonreplicable, holistic
energy of  TRUTH but collectively relish in the practice of condemning
one who mirrors their ignorance as a heretic.  Have you not heard the
one about "Judge not lest Ye be judged"?  Perhaps you would like to
expound on how you have personally arrived at the determination that my
words are "heresy"?

rv:  >  If you must continue with your charade and illusions of
grandeur, at least have the respect for the Word of God to quote it
correctly. 

rk:  "Charade," "grandeur," "correctly"  are your words, are they not? 
Are you beginning to see why organized Christianity is composed of
Bassackward Satanic driven ignoramuses who are big on  words but short
on understanding?  Why they are so prone to  talk the talk, but not walk
the walk?  Why they dream of Heaven when they die, but live in HELL
while on earth?  

rv: >  " I thank you for your time and attention. 

Regards, 

Rick 

rk:  Another empty Christian demonstration of hypocrisy.  Reread your
comments in this post.  See if you don't agree.

                                Ray Karczewski
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