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Article #432Re: if abortion is murder, it's murder
From: Eric Williams PCB x5577
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:00
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:00
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Or, ca, seattle, chi groups removed from followups. In article <327BCA95.2C77@nwark.com>, "TJ \"Spark\" Miller jr." <tjmiller@nwark.com> writes: > Ray Fischer wrote: > > [munched] > > Just like the murder of hundreds of millions of "young human lives" > > (aka, sperm) is enough for YOU? > > Why must you keep setting yourself up for this Ray? Pay attention now: > > 1) Sperm are not complete human bodies, nor is your finger by itself. > > 2) Ova are not complete human bodies, and neither is her finger, by > itself. > > 3) A growing, viable Fetus IS a complete human being. (BTW, you never > told me what species you think a fetus should belong to, since you think > that it's not human) I will note that a foetus before about 22 weeks or so cannot even breathe on its own (the lungs having no alveoli (how *does* one spell that?) in order to exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide with the air). Therefore, a foetus is *not* complete, at least not before the point of viability. And of course a foetus is not a complete human being anyway, since it is still taking nutrients from the woman's body until birth. (To be fair, a newborn, toddler, child, or even pubescent teenager isn't quite complete either, since they are still growing; one could also make a case that no one is really ever complete until death. Or, if you like, one is not complete until one is capable of reproduction.) [.sigsnip] -- eric_williams@mentorg.com The preceding is *not* to be construed in any way as an official (or unofficial) public policy statement by Mentor Graphics, Incorporated, my employer, or any of its employees, legal representatives, affiliates, customers, or vendors.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 106ed4,64603ffbe04c6f43 X-Google-Attributes: gid106ed4,public X-Google-Thread: fb1cb,64603ffbe04c6f43 X-Google-Attributes: gidfb1cb,public X-Google-Thread: 10a18d,64603ffbe04c6f43 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a18d,public X-Google-Thread: 10e835,64603ffbe04c6f43 X-Google-Attributes: gid10e835,public X-Google-Thread: 105850,b96e15306975007b X-Google-Attributes: gid105850,public X-Google-Thread: 111a85,10ff89500e49e4b3 X-Google-Attributes: gid111a85,public From: ewill@hpewill.sje.mentorg.com (Eric Williams @ PCB x5577) Subject: Re: if abortion is murder, it's murder Date: 1996/11/07 Message-ID: <55ravu$in3@oddball.sje.MENTORG.COM> X-Deja-AN: 194979030 references: <326AC58E.5DAD@teleport.com> <327845DB.21A6@teleport.com> <rayE05rJq.DxA@netcom.com> <327A8C16.24F3@teleport.com> <rayE08189.F84@netcom.com> <327BCA95.2C77@nwark.com> organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC/PCB followup-to: talk.abortion newsgroups: or.general,ca.general,seattle.general,chi.general,or.politics,talk.abortion