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> Walter Hansen wrote:
> Rob you disgrace your name.
 
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Papa Jack comments:
You know what sort of sleazy flame attack you are going to read when
you read this sort of lead-in.  No explanation, just a pure raw
ad hominem attack to try to put the other guy on the defensive.

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> : > >Rob Hocker (rah@teleport.com) wrote:
> : > >Sperm do not contain the full set of human DNA.

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> : > Walter Hansen wrote:
> : > So what?

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> : Rob Hocker wrote:
> : The DNA of an organism scientifically *defines* (and settles)
> : what the being is: i.e., the fetus is fully a human being;
> : human sperm is not.

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> Walter Hansen wrote:
> A human sperm is not a human being. Just as a fetus is not. A human
> sperm is human just as every cell and part of a cell in the body are.

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Papa Jack comments:
You are wrong as usual.  The on-line Webster contadicts you:

FETUS:  ...a developing HUMAN from usu. three months after conception 
        to birth... 

	http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster?fetus

Notice that the word "HUMAN" is used as a noun in the definition, not
as an adjective.

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> : > >Rob Hocker (rah@teleport.com) wrote: 
> : > >Sperm do not multiply their cell count as does a growing 
> : > >organism.

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> : > Walter Hansen wrote:
> : > Sure they do.  Give them a suitable egg and away they go.

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Papa Jack comments:
Give them an egg and they are no longer "sperm" -- then they become
embryos.

EMBRYO:  ...esp : the developing HUMAN INDIVIDUAL from the time of 
         implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception...

	http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster?embryo

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> : Rob Hocker wrote:
> : i.e., once they join with the egg to form a human being,
> : the fully human cells start multiplying.

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> Walter Hansen wrote: 
> I love this. Someone should grab this to use in their .sig. So you
> are claiming that the moment the sperm joins with the egg it is 
> human being.  What a falicy. This is clearly not true, in any manner. 
> Please show us your 'proof'. I'm sure it will amuse us all for some 
> time.

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Papa Jack comments:
I never knew anyone who found dictionaries as "amusing" as you.  Again:

EMBRYO:  ...esp : the developing HUMAN INDIVIDUAL from the time of 
         implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception...

	http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster?embryo

Or, how about:

ZYGOTE:  ...a cell formed by the union of two gametes; broadly : 
         the developing INDIVIDUAL produced from such a cell 

	http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster?zygote

Are you amused, Walter?

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> : > > Rob Hocker wrote: 
> : > > Sperm are therefore not human beings.

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> : > Walter Hansen wrote: 
> : > And neither are embryos.

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Papa Jack comments:
Golly, wrong again, Walter.  Must get tiresome to be wrong so often.

EMBRYO:  ...esp : the developing HUMAN INDIVIDUAL from the time of 
         implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception...

	http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster?embryo

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