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Screamer wrote:
> 

> On Sat, 02 Nov 1996 19:35:04 -0800, 
    Rob Hocker <rah@teleport.com> wrote:

> >> Screamer (Screamer@mbay.net) wrote:

> >> : On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:22:24 -0600, Papa Jack
> >> : <papajack@express-news.net> wrote:

> >> : <snippie-pooh>

> >> : >Papa Jack comments:
> >> : >I agree with everything Chris says except the Planned Parenthood
> >> : >recommendation.  PPs are chop shops who are the nation's largest
> >> : >provider of abortions.  They pretty it up with superficial "coun-
> >> : >seling" -- but, the choices/alternatives they offer are limited.

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> >> : Screamer wrote:
> >> : PJ, have you ever been pregnant, and gone into a PP, asking for
> >> : counseling/choices/alternatives?

> >> : I didn't think so.

> >> : Until you reach that situation, you have no credence.

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> >Rob Hocker wrote:
> >This is nothing more than the tired and totally brain-dead
> >argument that valid opinions regarding an issue may only be
> >held by those that have been involved with that issue.

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Papa Jack comments:
This is a typical Pro-Abortion Righter's (PAR's) ploy.  Arbitrarily
setting up conditions, allows Screamer to eliminate all men and all
women who have not actually gone into a PP and asked for counseling/
choices/alternatives.  That's a small group who is very likely to
defensively protect PP -- anything else would be criticizing themselves.

Wonder how Screamer would react if I told her the same sort of thing 
after she criticized a man's words/actions?  "Well, you just can't
comment, Screamer, unless you've been a male and be subjected to male
harmones and pressures of society."  I'm sure she'd go along with 
that -- yeah, sure she would.

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> Screamer wrote:
> Wrong.  You can't say Big Macs suck if you've never been in 
  a McDonalds.

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Papa Jack comments:
Of course you can.  What if you read in a reliable source that 
McDonalds often used tainted beef patties?  Would you have to go
there, eat one, and get sick before you could say, "Big Macs suck!"
I don't think so.

Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the United 
States, performed 134,277 abortions in 1993. In contrast, a mere 
9,943 women received prenatal care -- Planned Parenthood's 1994 
Service Report does not even mention adoption. (Source:  PP's
1993-94 annual report)

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> >Rob Hocker wrote:
> >Let's just listen for the pertinent facts in each person's
> >presentation of their view and avoid trying to discredit
> >someone because they're not the right sex (or, in this
> >discussion, the right age!!!)

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> Screamer wrote:
> This has LESS to do with the fact that PJ can't be pregnant than it
> has to do with the fact that PJ HAS NEVER BEEN TO A PP, AND THEREFORE
> CANNOT COMMENT ON WHAT GETS SAID OR DOESN'T GET SAID WITHIN THE
> CONFINES OF THE WALLS.  Please try and read what I'm writing.

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Papa Jack comments:
Ah, but now you change what you said.

     PJ, have you ever been pregnant, and gone into a PP, asking for
     counseling/choices/alternatives?

As noted above, you try to set up conditions where you would only
have PP judged by females who have actually used their services.
Those females who have used their services and hate them tend to be
quiet because of the shame and other strong emotions they arouse.
So, guess what, no one but the "friendlies" are allowed to comment.
It's nice work if you can get it.

PP is a chop shop with pretensions.  Their business is killing
unborn babies.
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