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>A Return to the Christ State: MAN'S ULTIMATE DESTINY!
>
Through Email, Arnold E. responded thus:

>Dear Raymond,
>A
>I have read your very very verbose comments.   That you are so
>superior spiritually;

 R
   Never have you read anything like that coming from me.  You must
accept responsibility for your own judgments of another.  For you to
say that to one who nondualistically considers you his equal, you
dualistically must judge yourself to be inferior.  Hence the
compensation for the resentment of your self-perceived inferiority.  
(That, by the way, is the meaning of "Judge not lest ye be judged.")

>A
>your ways are self-evident but my ways surely are not.  
>And that >is the way it is going to be; and I won't play your game.
>This rhetoric is typical of those from the newage camp.

R
   I speak only for myself. I represent no camp, Old Age or New Age.

>A
> It surely
>surfaces in very verbose dialogue that says nothing.  It depends on
>mystical overtones that are only subjective--only known to the 
>subject.  How could this possibly be self evident to all.

R
It is evident to all capable of Seeing (who have "the eyes to see and
the ears to hear").  Self-evident is a direct experience.  It
manifests through direct sight.  Thinking is an indirect process.
Therefore one who can think but cannot see can never realize
something which is self-evident. (However they can delude themselves
through holding to illusory attributes gained in egotistical
speculations.)  The self-evident proof of this is displayed as the
peaceful/chaotic quality of  life lived by the individual.

>A
>.....I hate to trivialize how you obtained your non-dualistic
>thinking, but maybe you've watched too many "Star Wars" Episodes.
>Its fiction Raymond, it isn't real.  It is George Lucas trying to
>bring Taoism into American culture.  Some times the esotericism
>sounds profound....as one hand clapping, but it's reality is
>that it's profoundness is an illusion, and it is in reality simply an
>absurdity.  It is through the media of movies that Taoism has 
>become popular in American Culture.  The philosphy of the 
>scholars of one generation becomes the tabletalk of the next.

R
Arnold, you are making my case by exposing how mindcontrol operates,
citing hollywood as a major tool for shaping behavior of the mass mind

>A
>Your statement, "My statements arise from direct perception; 
>they are my truth." is again an appeal to relativism.  My statement
>comes through perception, also, Raymond.  Does that make it "my truth"?  
>And if "my truth" and "your truth" are incompatable, does that make
>them both right in reality?   No Raymond, it doesn't.  It either 
>makes one right, and the other wrong, or Both are wrong.  

R
Arnold, you and I use words quite differently. My words are guided and
formed by the holistic energy (holy spirit) of intelligence as it
"Speaks Of"  what is "seen" as it  directly perceives the fleeting
infinite moment.  That is why my writing has a different energy to
it and  is somewhat verbose.  The limitedness of normal "sound byte"
use of language with its normal rules of grammar make it impossible to
capture the essence adequately. That is the problem which lies with
human communication by word alone.  IT JUST FALLS SHORT!    You,
however, appear to revel in  the argumentative realm of debate,
seeking some advantage in a silly competition of words as you redirect
attention toward indirectly "Talking About" the  system of thought
itself.  If you honestly examine this post of yours, you will see you
never leave that realm.  That is the trap of accomplished
intellectuals.   Until you understand that, truth will always be
beyond your reach.

>A
>Raymond,  I submit your "truth", or whatever it is, is NOT
>self-evident.  In fact, it is self-defeating.  Yours is a boys 
>philosophy, childish, and the utter personification of sillyness,
>and anti-intellectualism.  You have to check out your brain to
>buy into it, and it surely appears that you have.

>A
>It's your arrogance about it that I find most amusing.  A 58 year old
>man that has discarded logical reasononing for a leap into
>esotericism, subjectivism, and anti-intellectualism.   I can see 
>that life has been a heap of confusion for you, I am sorry.  
>Maybe as a police officer in the land of sin, you have seen much 
>pain, and evil, that is difficult to understand.  And your answer
>is that you have found some unity in some mystical karma with what is,
>which allows you to dismiss the pain you have seen because it is 
>that which is.  

>A
>But all you have done is dismiss what is evil, or good, and made them
>one....they are not one....they are utter contradictions.  The reality 
>is pain can be for good, and it can be for evil.  Pleasure
>likewise can be for good, and pleasure can likewise be for
>evil.

>A
>By making evil and good one, you have committed one of the worst
>sins you can.  It is the kind of thought that has led to people
>suffering in India that is not releaved because it is dismissed.

>A
>This is utter evil, and I hope you come to your senses.

R
As to your judgment of me being arrogant, you, like many, are caught
by the conditioned mythical image of a man of understanding.  Much
emphasis is put on humility.  True humility is spirit based.  Feigned
humility is an act of arrogance.  It is ego based.  A responsible,
honest, integral man who speaks the truth--is the truth.  His words
and actions are at-one.  Such is the mechanism of truth in operation.
That is true humility.  If such a man enters a village of one-legged
people, must he cut off his leg to assuage the pain of unwhole village
inhabitants?  That's not humility, that's insanity!  Yet you call to
another to give up an holistic state so that one's own incompleteness
is not mirrored.

R
Perhaps you will see why I post all serious matters on the net. You
and I will stand under the same light of scrutiny and be held
accountable for ourselves.  

                                                Ray


Raymond Karczewski  http://www.virtualplex.com/vplex/ark/