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Enlightenment, Enlightenment, Wherein Doest  It Exist?!! (Was:
'Enlightenment' does NOT exist.)
 
Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:46:26 -0500
   
Darren White (dwhite93@yahoo.com)

Namasthe,

dw: >    I am sorry, but I must disagree that this is not how the
average person probably feels.  It sounds to me that what you are saying
is that everyone is enlightened, whether they choose to work to purify
and perfect this existance or not.  But how can this be?  Look at the
world around us - we live in a world of hatred, jealousy, conflict &
combativeness.  

rk:  The "average person" as noted by you lives in a world of
Conditioned Images based in Satanic (Opposer) duality.

dw:  >  If we are all already enlightened, then this would not be so.  

rk:  When thought comes to an end, Enlightenment (nonduality) IS!

dw:  > There would be no war or crime, no suffering. 

rk:  In this moment of communication, where is war?  Where is Suffering?

dw:  > We must work to go back to that state of enlightenment, which is
one of pure awareness and pure experience.  

rk:  One must work to create war, to create suffering, for all war and
suffering exists only in the dualisic state of mind ruled by a Satanic
Intellect.  Absence of dualism is PEACE.

dw:  >  We must practice our sadhanas and open ourselves to
the inner divinity that we all possess, to shed all that which is not
our True Self.

rk:  Practice is work.  Work is dualism, struggle, suffering,
achievement.  Hell, isn't it?

dw:   >  I agree with what you are saying in regard to pure awareness. 
It is easy to get caught up in thoughts and concepts to the point that
we are no longer experiencing something in it's pure state, but we are
analyzing an
intellectual representation of that thing. 

dw:  >  For example...if you are looking at a beautiful sunset and
enjoying it so.  The moment you think to yourself  "Wow, what a
beautiful sunset." you are no longer truly experiencing that sunset. 
You are creating a concept of it in your mind that is a perception which
you are now experiencing instead.

rk:  Now you've got it.  Why throw it away for the domination of thought
which rules your present state of consciousness?

dw:  >    Also, what you say about being perfect at this moment in time
is very true.  Because we are only existing in this moment in time.  The
person that we were 30 seconds ago no longer exists, and the person of
tomorrow has yet to come. 

rk:  So far, so good.

dw:  >   But we should be aware that there is a higher divinity within
that we all must aspire to. 

rk:  Ah!  Aspiration -- the seduction of Satanic Intellectual greed
takes its toll once again! In the above statement you have conjured up
some positive images and extracted a modicum of  pleasure from it, but
in fact, you have demonstrated that you have fallen into the unremitting
realm of dualism, have you not?  It is a fall from Holistic Intelligence
into the conflicted,  fragmented realm of Intellectual limitation --
IGNORANCE.   You've just demonstrated man's "Fall from Grace!"

dw:  >  Otherwise we would all be ascended masters already, and we would
have no reason to even be on this newsgroup. 

dw:  >  Then again, if this point of view has not been experienced by
you, then for you it is untruth, which is OK and a very profound
understanding that you possess. 

Namasthe,
Darren

rk:  Meditate.  Get quiet.  When thought ends, TRUTH IS.  That is the
Christ State of Consciousness manifesting itself in the eternal moment
of NOW.  Resonate with that vibration.  Be At-One with it. Let it guide
you in all things. 

rk:  When you return to your usual time-bound dualistic state of
Consciousness, pay attention.  Be aware of the marked shift in
vibration.  Discriminate the vibratory differences between  nondualistic
essence of TRUTH and the dualistic essence that is the THOUGHT OF TRUTH.
	
rk:  Utilize thoughts for technical problem solving.  In all
nontechnical matters PAY ATTENTION and allow TRUTH to guide you in word
and action.  

rk:  Let Go -- Let God! 

rk:  Surrender to the holistic (holy) spirit of divine intelligence
which will guide you and protect you from the Satanic Assaults of the
Time-bound, thought based, Satanic Ruled World of Civilized Man.

rk:  If you want a demonstration of that, visit
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm  and read all articles marked
"***."   In no time at all you will come to  discriminate the radically
different vibratory essences of Heaven (Truth) and Hell (Satanic ruled
dualism).

                               Ray Karczewski

rk:  The remainder of the post is quite accurate despite its  appearance
of spiritual quibbling.

BecomeLucid wrote:

 >> RvB (postmaster@interconnect.nl) wrote in message
news:(iadvtkla42b4vi63rq171hf2rhcor7p06@one.xs4all.nl)...

On 17 Nov 2001 09:24:01 -0800, mobile_tuneups@yahoo.com
(BecomeLucid) wrote:

 > > >'Enlightenment' is a word/concept made up to keep the
inhabitants of a certain blue planet bound within a certain limiting
cosmic worldview of themselves and their surrounding universe. This blue
planet co-exists within a vast intelligent galactical universe, with
other intelligent beings, living on other intelligent planets, working
to try and "free" this blue planet and other planets in the same
predicament.

 > > >'Enlightenment' is a very clever concept created to make you think
you are less then what you already are.

 > > Unfortunately, freeing yourself from concepts is called ...
enlightenment. 

 > There is no 'freeing'. (Unless you mean seeing that you already are 
"enlightened".)

 > * On a different note, see below.

 > Again....

 --
 > = You ARE =    = This  moment is  * A  L  L *  that exists =

 > = This moment exists in its own inherent pristine perfection =

 > It is the massive infrastructure that convinces you that at this
exact  moment in time, you and this present moment do NOT exist in its
own  inherent pristine perfection.

 > Another way of saying it is, you are "perfect" at this exact moment
in time, don't let any one tell you otherwise.
-
 > "We *ARE* what we think, all that we ARE arises with our thoughts"

 > .....The Dhammapada  (*NOT* endorsing The Dhammapada, just quoting
highly intelligent words from it.)

 >  *  I get the feeling you're saying to observe thought and then 
thereby go to that space where there is only motionless observation, 
where then you become one with this motionless observation. In this
awareness, you become intimately aware that there is no such thing as 
"movement". Your background or point of observation is simply pure
awareness. You become aware that what you define yourself as, is simply
that a definition you've chosen. But existence is Cyclic/Circular. Once
you've gone there, you can choose to go back to 'acting' and 'doing'. I
guess I could even chose  to forget what I know, in order to do the
whole thing again. These 'cycles' just goes on and on forever, over vast
amounts of "TIME". You go in the 'nothingness', you come back out. You
go in, come back out, etc.
 
 > This whole cycle is repeated on a mini scale each night when you fall
asleep, of course we're just not aware of it.

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