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In article <1993Feb6.031058.25582@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jtripp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Tripp) writes:

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>So my question to everybody is: Should a state employee be allowed to
>use available sick leave for non-illness related time off?

Should any employee (not just state) be allowed to use sick leave for
non-illness related time off? No. Should an employer check to make sure
it is not? No. It is not practical, and it also does not build a good
relationship with the employee.

I encountered this very problem as the paymaster at a construction company.
We had six fixed holidays, one optional holiday, and a varying number of
six and vacation days. Invariably someone would get sick just before a
three day weekend (how convenient) or just before his scheduled vacation.
We could not make sure they were really sick (they could always claim they
disconnected the phone so they could sleep).

I think the real solution is to turn sick days into personal days (i.e.
unscheduled leave). Very often sick days were used for exactly that. All
that would be necessary would be for the employee to be honest, upfront,
and give sufficient warning (i.e. don't use it to take off a day early
without giving some kind of warning, even if it is only one day).

I don't know what the policy for sick days is with the state, but it seems
to me that if one must use it or lose it, you betcha they will be used,
even if the employee has to lie. It makes no sense to me to discriminate
against the healthy.
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Well, I'm not sure that it really makes a difference if you are a state,
federal, city employee, or under employment by a private business - I'm my
opinion, sick time is for when you are ill and vacation time is for just that,
vacation.  I think the person it hurts the most is the employee who uses their
sick time when they are not sick.  One day they might really need the time for
hospitalization, etc. and they will have already wasted it on long weekends...
But who am I...

T.
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In article <1993Feb6.031058.25582@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jtripp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Tripp) writes:
>I wanted to get some opinions on the idea that a state employee should
>be able to use available sick leave time when that employee is not
>sick (e.g., take the afternoon off to go play golf).  Clearly, by the
>rules, an OSU employee may NOT use sick leave for anything that is ot
>related to health.  DIRECTLY related to health.

I could see where going to play golf is related to health. You seem to
think "health" only includes physical health. With many jobs being
high-stress in nature. a "mental" sick day  may be what is needed.
If its playing golf, shopping or whatever just getting away from work
from time to time can help. I know I often prefer a day or so a month
off instead of a real vacation. take a day off and just lay in my boat,
talk a walk or drive. Vacations can be very stressfull in themself
but talking an afternoon off may let you rid yourself of that stress.

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In the Netherlands where the both the state and the company pay for sick days,
somebody from the health board will actually check up on the person who is
taking sick days and determines when the person is recovered.

Harald Paterek