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2 total messages Started by Brian R. Kneebone Mon, 10 Mar 1997 00:00
Let's move this thread (Was: A Guide...)
#62
Author: Brian R. Kneebone
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 00:00
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evans@theBorg.wes.army.mil wrote:
> My view is in the minority?  What exactly is my view?

The fundamentalist view.  See earlier postings
  
> Ha, ha. Brian, you have no idea what my opinion is of women in the
> workplace, but let me clue you in. First, I have had a women as a boss.
> That was 9 years ago, and just recently she tried to hire me back. She
> values the way I work and treat others.  Second, my wife is a geologist
> who has worked in all kinds of organizations. I very much respect her
> work.

I wasn't making any claims about femenism or you being anti-feminist.  I
was paralleling it to the femenist movement.  You must have lost your
direction reading the last post.
  
> If my thinking is in the minority, why is it that gay marriages are
> banned in 49 out of 50 US states?  Why is gay sex outlawed in most
> of the states?  Please don't give me a Canadian Justice WWW site. I'm
> sure that you will agree that laws don't necessarily mean something is
> right or wrong.  The majority of Canadians may think that gay marriage,
> gay sex, etc. is ok, but don't think that the majority of US citizens
> think it is. They may say "life and let live" but they wouldn't want
> their child be be homosexual.

Because I am a Canadian. Point finale...

You might also notice that man-man / woman-woman love is "conveniently"
overlooked as not to open a can of worms in your justice system.  I hope
you don't expect me to believe that there is not your share of 10% down
there.  Such a claim is unsupported and in fact contradicted by Kinsey's
research (THE most commonly used reference for populations by both the
hetero and queer comunities).

But for now I suggest that this thread is getting tired.  Perhaps you
should subscribe to ott.community.motss for further postings as this has
all gone way beyond rec.scouting.issues and all would appreciate talking
about other matters.

I do suggest that you re-read the message you replied to since it
appears that you misunderstood me.


Brian R. Kneebone
Re: Let's move this thread (Was: A Guide...)
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Author: Robert Evans
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 00:00
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Brian, you said:
"I wasn't making any claims about femenism or you being anti-feminist.
I
was paralleling it to the femenist movement.  You must have lost your
direction reading the last post."

In a previous post you also said:

"The fact that men and women are to be equals (both being able to
be with or do another's job) may be at the heart of your bias, but I
speculate no further."


I must have mistaken your earlier comment as saying that my "bias"
is a reflection of some problem with men and women being equals in
the workplace.

In your most recent message, you said:  

"You might also notice that man-man / woman-woman love is "conveniently"
overlooked as not to open a can of worms in your justice system.  I hope
you don't expect me to believe that there is not your share of 10% down
there.  Such a claim is unsupported and in fact contradicted by Kinsey's
research (THE most commonly used reference for populations by both the
hetero and queer comunities)."


First of all, "man-man/woman-woman love" is not overlooked in the US
justice system. In many states it is flat out illegal.  And secondly,
I think it has been shown over and over that the Kinsey study was
flawed,
and the 10% is more like 2-5%.  I believe Mark posted the most recent
studies on the rec.scouting.issues newsgroup.

Then you said:

"But for now I suggest that this thread is getting tired.  Perhaps you
should subscribe to ott.community.motss for further postings as this has
all gone way beyond rec.scouting.issues and all would appreciate talking
about other matters."

Yes, this thread does seem to be slightly out of bounds, except for the
fact that the issue is "homosexuality" is BSA and the fact that you have
"published" your guide for those with questions about homosexuality and
tried to say that it is accepted by the majority. You claim that I am
in the "cognitive minority."  Have you seen a report by an unbiased 
group that shows what percentage of the worlds population would not
care if their children grow up to be homosexual?  Can you imagine what
that figure would be?  I would be shocked if it was as high as 30%. 
If you have a number, I would like to see it and it's reference. In
other
words, prove to me that a majority of the worlds people have no
preference
on whether their children grow up straigh or gay. You prove that and
I'll
concede that I'm in the "cognitive minority."  Until that happens, I'll
just assume that I'm in the majority.


Bob

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