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In article <332ECE4E.6E5B@capitalnet.com>, SCK  <sck@capitalnet.com> wrote:
>You have addressed why NCF is different, but you haven't addressed how
>NCF *users* are demographically different from OTT ones. Do OTT users
>have webbed feet and smaller brains perhaps, so we don't have a desire
>for more groups?


  Whether we believe they are the same, or they are different, is not all 
that relevant.  In think the fundamental question is how to get new 
groups created.

  Both group have the EXACT same group creation procedure, and both are as 
easy to get done!!!  (Contrary to what some individuals might like people 
to think).  Only the names are changed, and how public the 'deliberation 
process' is:




  On the NCF, if you want to create an IP group, you send an email to 
ip@freenet.carleton.ca - that 'person' (Don McCallum) then does the work.
  On the NCF, if you want to create a SIG, you send a message to 
sig@freenet.carleton.ca - that 'person' (Mike Mason) then does some work.


  Part of the work these people do is get clarification of the intent of 
the group, so that an 'ABOUT' file can be created for the menu, or at 
least they know what menu the group needs to be put into.

  If these two people don't like the idea (Don't like you as an 
individual, or whatever), you can appeal to the Board (Or send a note to 
the other person in hopes they may be able to help ;-).




  With ONAG, if you want to create a newsgroup, you send a message to 
onag@pinetree.org.   One of a number of people there then does some 
work.  Part of what they will do is get clarification of the intent of 
the group, so that a CHARTER file (About file, charter file - whatever - 
same thing) can be created for the ONAG web site (as well as being 
posted to the group, etc).

  Part of the process is to publicly discuss this new group idea in 
public in the ott.config newsgroup.   In this way the *INTERESTED USERS* 
and News administrators (Not the general public who would find this boring) 
can know the reasonings behind any decisions that are made.  These users 
can also very directly influence the decision making process by posting 
their own thoughts and ideas!


  If ONAG don't like the group idea, then the proponent can take it up 
in ott.config with everyone directly (Bypassing the email to 
onag@pinetree.org).  If enough people (And other news administrators who 
pay for this stuff) show support, ONAG will then do what the majority 
wants (Assuming things aren't illegal, or other such things - again, the 
same things that would stop an NCF group from being created).


  This isn't magic.  It's not easier to create a group in one place or 
the other: the main difference is how 'public' the decision making 
process is (With ONAG being much more open and public in the decision 
process).

   Some believe the demographics are different, while others do 
not. This is fine, but I think it's time we stopped worrying about this 
and moved onward.

  If a new ott.* group is created, and duplicates an existing ncf.* 
newsgroup, the users themselves can 'vote with their feet' as to which 
group they want to use.    It won't happen overnight (because there IS a 
different feeling in the NCF than the rest of the Ottawa Internet 
community), but it does happen.
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