🚀 go-pugleaf

IT certifications are useful to show to an employer that you fully understand a
software.  As long as the software is there... Once you throw the software away,
your certification goes away too.

This is sick.

The IT industry realized that there are a lot of money to be made with
certifications, It started with Novell and Microsoft, then it spread all around
the software and computer hardware companies.

Sadly, the employers jumped into the bandwagon and prefer to hire certified
candidates WITH a computer/college degree instead of a college/university degree
alone.

But keep in mind that an MCSE alone doesn't give you a job. If you want to work
for Microsoft, they ask an University degree with MCSE. Not just the MCSE alone.

So if M$ don't believe in their own diplomas, what's the use of them?


Florin wrote:

> hey pierre, i think you forgot the pagp, bhsl, epald, and don't forget the
> cnap.  it's amazing how many certifications there.
>
> I went to CDI college and got my A+ certification and I can't find a single
> entry level job.
> CDI has got to be the biggest scam out there, but I fell for it just like
> many other people have.
>
> "Pierre Lamy" <pierre@userid.org> wrote in message
> news:3D002A39.A0AA477@userid.org...
> > I don't really see the point in a Microsoft cert - too many people I know
> that have
> > an MCSE can't network worth sh*t and don't know what ports are. But they
> can
> > bamboozle you with win.ini file knowledge. They usually get cranked out in
> 2 week
> > courses.
> >
> > Cisco certs are very expensive :( but are portable to many platforms. And
> most
> > people with a CCNA/CCIE kick a$$.
> >
> > I don't know much about the Novell and other certs... I imagine they would
> be
> > somewhere in the middle.
> >
> > Can anyone here with an MCSE tell me what real-world knowledge you got
> from the
> > course?
> >
> > If I had the choice of certs I would probably get the GIAC and CISSP
> followed by
> > CCNA. The linux certs are in a bit of flux... not sure if there are any
> real
> > standards out there.
> >
> > P
> >
> > Smackey Two-Tongues wrote:
> >
> > > Certifications are a bit of a double edged sword.  On one hand, they
> > > show that you know something about a new technology.  Good luck
> > > getting anything like that from a university program.  On the other
> > > hand, they are problem for people who need to constantly recertify.
> > > Some days I wish I was a plumber, not a lot you need to know after the
> > > 5th year.
> > >
> > > While some people pass certifications with only a rudimentary
> > > knowledge of the subject, at least it shows that they have a certain
> > > work ethic and that they are willing to devote the time to
> > > learning/training for something new.  I think that point might be
> > > overlooked a lot.  I also think that MCSE's with NT should completely
> > > recertify ... but that is another topic entirely (since I have to with
> > > my MCSD - no breaks for me!).
> > >
> > > As far as financing a site like that? No idea but it is a pretty good
> > > site and they have some good practice tests.
> > >
> > > -stt
> > >
> > > On 6 Jun 2002 04:23:59 GMT, cx172@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Elat Lerner)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Smackey Two-Tongues (Smackey Two-Tongues) writes:
> > > >> http://www.certcities.com/
> > > >
> > > >Cool, I had no idea there were web sites dedicated to the topic
> > > >of IT certifications. Who finances a site like that? They
> > > >don't seem to have a lot of advertising.
> > > >
> > > >And on another note, I have always wondered what percentage
> > > >of the revenues of companies such as Microsoft is derived
> > > >from the certification programs. Whoever started this
> > > >certification business was a genious. Not only do
> > > >they charge an arm an a leg testing, books, what have you,
> > > >but they also have an army of certified "professionals" who
> > > >are pushing the company's products for them at no cost.
> > > >
> > > >> On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:50:17 -0400, "garp" <garp_234@hotmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Does anyone know where I can find more information about a Linux
> > > >>>certification?
> > > >>>Thanks
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>"Elat Lerner" <cx172@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> > > >>>news:adjnem$cfk$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
> > > >>>> blackjacker (play2bonk@hotmail.com) writes:
> > > >>>> > Certifications are about as usefull as toiler paper.  The same
> goes
> > > >>>> > for microsoft certifications.  The most important thing is
> experience
> > > >>>> > and a solid CS education.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> You and I may agree on this, but the rest of the world apparently
> not.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In  a major study just completed and paid for by you and me (HRDC)
> the
> > > >>>> following (surprising) conclusions have been reached:
> > > >>>> * Certifications are most important to employers when hiring
> > > >>>>    managerial and senior staff (page 76)
> > > >>>> * IT employees look for certifications by Cisco, Linux, Oracle and
> Sun
> > > >>>> *  Employers value certifications by Microsoft and Novell (page 77)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> For more information check out
> > > >>>>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OttawaHiTech/message/35
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > kaja@digitalschemes.com wrote in message
> > > >>>news:<3CF3C028.DA6702C0@digitalschemes.com>...
> > > >>>> >> Hi,
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >> I have been watching this newsgroup for a while and there has
> been some
> > > >>>> >> talk as to how important it is to know Java in order to lend a
> job. I
> > > >>>am
> > > >>>> >> a Sun Certified Programmer for the Java 2 Platform with 89% test
> score.
> > > >>>> >> I am looking for people who want to gain the same qualification.
> I
> > > >>>offer
> > > >>>> >> Java tutoring and Sun Exam preparation at VERY reasonable
> rates - I am
> > > >>>> >> charging $20 / hour. I just came back from Europe where I worked
> as a
> > > >>>> >> Java
> > > >>>> >> Developer and I am currently working on my Java Developer
> certification
> > > >>>> >> so I have plenty of time. If you are interested in getting Java
> > > >>>> >> certified
> > > >>>> >> and want some extra pointers and help from someone who has done
> it, or
> > > >>>> >> you
> > > >>>> >> are just looking to start learning Java to improve your skill
> set, send
> > > >>>> >> me
> > > >>>> >> an email and we can talk more. I have all the materials needed
> to study
> > > >>>> >> as
> > > >>>> >> well as a notebook so that the study sessions can take place in
> your
> > > >>>> >> favorite Java place. And here is more about what I can do for
> you:
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >> The Java Exam consists of 11 parts:
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >>         1) DECLARATIONS AND ACCESS CONTROL
> > > >>>> >>         2) FLOW CONTROL AND EXCEPTION HANDLING
> > > >>>> >>         3) GARBAGE COLLECTION
> > > >>>> >>         4) LANGUAGE FUNDAMENTALS
> > > >>>> >>         5) OPERATORS AND ASSIGNMENTS
> > > >>>> >>         6) OVERLOADING,OVERRIDING,RUNTIME TYPE,AND OBJECT
> ORIENTATION
> > > >>>> >>         7) THREADS
> > > >>>> >>         8) THE JAVA.AWT PACKAGE
> > > >>>> >>         9) THE JAVA.LANG PACKAGE
> > > >>>> >>         10) THE JAVA.UTIL PACKAGE
> > > >>>> >>         11) THE JAVA.IO PACKAGE
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >> Each of these parts we can cover in 1-4 hours (plus the time you
> > > >>>> >> prectice)
> > > >>>> >> depending on how much time you are willing to put in your self
> and on
> > > >>>> >> how
> > > >>>> >> much you already know.
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >> Before I send you off to the exam we will spend 2 FREE hours of
> > > >>>> >> review
> > > >>>> >> and practice tests to make sure you are good and ready because
> it is
> > > >>>> >> important to me that you get what you paid for and pass the
> exam!
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >> Sincerely,
> > > >>>> >> Karel
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regularly updated
> > > >>>> http://www.geocities.com/NotNortel
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> >