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Article #210Re: Master SPAM list
From: Arthur D. Mira
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:00
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:00
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In can.infohighway, mercer@bnr.ca (Stephen Mercer) wrote: <snippity> => Actually, it'd be much easier to do, if the cost of sending were =>on the sender, instead of the transport, and thus indirectly, the =>recipient. If spammers paid the cost of thier email, they'd be much =>more careful what they spammed, and how. Also, when thier emails =>are turned back by automated filters, they would suddenly find out =>what is _really_ worth advertising via email, and what isn't. It =>might even open doors for legitimate, and fair use of email as an =>advertising medium. <snippity> NO! NO! NO! A thousand times no. I don't want *ANY* advertising in my *E-MAIL*, legitimate(?) or otherwise unless I have specifically requested it. It makes little difference to me if it is from Joe Schmo in his basement trying to flog his latest scheme, or something from Rogers Cantel trying to flog an on-line service. We are inundated with advertising on our telephones, televisions, printed media, mailboxes. It's managed to slither into damned near every aspect of our lives...to the point where educational institutions have come to rely on corporate goodies to survive. Therein life the crux of the 'problem'. Advertising is a fact of life. There is nothing wrong with it. It is not bad per se. BUT when it involves overkill, intrusion, and exceeds the bounds of freedom of speech it serves no use, purpose or value. I don't have a problem with every business in the world setting up a web site. I don't have a problem with any form of advertising in usenet *PROVIDED* it stays in the proper and appropriate newsgroup, or at the very least adheres to long standing posting guidelines. But when it comes to e-mail...no way. That is not hypocrisy. That is a belief in FREEDOM OF SPEECH. freedom of speech is the right of people to express their opinions *PUBLICLY* without *GOVERNMENTAL* interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion. It's why I find the bluring of jargon, slang, and terminology between e-mail and usenet to be more than just malapropism, pedantic purism, or hair splitting. E-mail *IS NOT A PUBLIC FORUM*, it is a private forum, where two or more people communicate. By all means invoke the powers of *GOVERNMENT* to ensure that everyones right's in regards to e-mail and privacy issues remain sacrosant. Usenet *IS A PUBLIC FORUM* but *GOVERNMENTAL* involvement should extend no further than is absolutely necessary, while ensuring that freedom of speech is protected. The issue is that there is a very real fear that since no clear and defined distinction has been drawn between e-mail and usenet, and is further impaired by the use of with a duality of meaning in terminology, then the GOVERNMENT AND IT'S BUREAUCRATS will act without distinction and with a heavy hand. Members of the Carleton freenet rally in support of an American legislators intrution into an area of free speech, and attempt to pre-empt and castigate the efforts of civil liberties organizations to ensure that rights to freedom of speech remain. Kind of makes me wonder where their heads are to some degree. On the other hand over the years I've seen the havoc that well intentioned but thoughtless zealots have reeked in areas of social concern.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f504b,34591137580b5390 X-Google-Attributes: gidf504b,public X-Google-Thread: 105a5a,34591137580b5390 X-Google-Attributes: gid105a5a,public X-Google-Thread: 10aaae,34591137580b5390 X-Google-Attributes: gid10aaae,public From: admiral@ilos.net (Arthur D. Mira) Subject: Re: Master SPAM list Date: 1998/03/28 Message-ID: <351cac76.202384357@news.ilos.net> X-Deja-AN: 338651685 References: <6f0ppr$ciq@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <35189EF8.289B9C85@hotmail.com> <6fbgkp$8rc@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> <3519CCCC.93222E2E@hotmail.com> <6fdudo$g1c@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:34:12 CST Newsgroups: ott.online,can.infohighway,can.general