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Article #234Re: Master SPAM list
From: Andrew Nellis
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:00
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:00
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Arthur D. Mira (admiral@ilos.net) writes: > In can.infohighway, bs904@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andrew Nellis) wrote: > > <snip> > > =>They appear to have no understanding that spamming requires, bu its > =>very nature, a theft of other people' resources. > > Theft of other people's resources? Who or which 'other people', and > exactly what resources are being 'stolen'? Who do you think pays for the bandwidth the unwanted junk uses up? Who pays for the processor cycles the mail server uses? Who pays for the space used to store all of this junk that nobody wanted or requested to begin with? The *recipient* does, that's who. Junk e-mail is postage- due advertising. I run the spam desk at the National Capital FreeNet. Last year we got so much junk at one point that legitimate mail could not get through. It was taking hours to connect to the SMTP server, and e-mail was being lost as it sat in queues for days waiting to be delivered. AT&T says that UBE, Unsolicited Bulk E-mail, accounts for as much as 20% of their incoming e-mail. AOL puts that figure closer to 30%. Our own statistics showed that it was 40%, and when we started rejecting mail from spamming domains, more than 500,000 pieces of junk e-mail were turned away every day for about 20,000 members. Spammers routinely hijack unsecured third party mail servers to deliver their junk so as to avoid spam filters and use someone else's bandwidth to do the dirty work. I have heard horror stories from sysadmins about finding several *million* pieces of junk e-mail queued up on their mail server, waiting to be delivered. Huge swaths of Usenet are now totally dead as a result of massive spam carpetbombing by people like Sexzilla and Erosnet. The Adultsights spammer was posting the same advertisement 244,000 times per day just before the UDP was declared against UUnet. If you're carrying a full Usenet feed, 80% of Usenet is now spam or cancel messages for that spam. Who pays for the bandwidth, who pays for the storage space all of this uses up? You do, of course. We all do. Well, all of us except the spammers. Freedom of speech does NOT entitle you to steal other people's resources in order to state your view. If I own a printing press, you cannot force me to print your flyers for you at no cost simply because you don't own a printing press and don't want to pay to use mine. This has nothing to do with content. It is merely coincidental that spam is used to promote illegal pyramid scams, fly-by-night make-money-fast schemes, and spamming services. It is the theft of resources that is intolerable. How much more are YOU paying for your Internet access because of spam? Interested parties are invited to spend a little time reading the news.admin.net-abuse.e-mail newsgroup for a better understanding of the issues involved. -- +-=-=-=-Andrew Nellis-=-=-=-=-+ ... Don't worry about people stealing ..... | bs904@freenet.carleton.ca | . your ideas. If your ideas are any . | NCF Net Abuse Response Team | . good you'll have to ram them down . +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ ... people's throats. [Howard Aiken] .....
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f504b,34591137580b5390 X-Google-Attributes: gidf504b,public X-Google-Thread: 105a5a,34591137580b5390 X-Google-Attributes: gid105a5a,public X-Google-Thread: 10aaae,34591137580b5390 X-Google-Attributes: gid10aaae,public From: bs904@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andrew Nellis) Subject: Re: Master SPAM list Date: 1998/03/22 Message-ID: <6f34k7$gm4@freenet-news.carleton.ca> X-Deja-AN: 336522730 References: <6f0ppr$ciq@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <3514a583.20597858@news1.on.sympatico.ca> <6f2u1f$eg6@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <35150a6b.52390547@news.ilos.net> X-Given-Sender: bs904@freenet3.carleton.ca (Andrew Nellis) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Reply-To: bs904@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andrew Nellis) Newsgroups: ott.online,can.general,can.infohighway