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Arthur D. Mira (admiral@ilos.net) writes:
> In can.infohighway, bs904@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andrew Nellis) wrote:
> 
> =>I run the spam desk at the National Capital FreeNet.  Last year we
> =>got so much junk at one point that legitimate mail could not get
> =>through.  It was taking hours to connect to the SMTP server, and
> =>e-mail was being lost as it sat in queues for days waiting to be
> =>delivered.  AT&T says that UBE, Unsolicited Bulk E-mail, accounts
> =>for as much as 20% of their incoming e-mail.  AOL puts that figure
> =>closer to 30%.  Our own statistics showed that it was 40%, and when
> =>we started rejecting mail from spamming domains, more than 500,000
> =>pieces of junk e-mail were turned away every day for about 20,000
> =>members.
> 
> Spam is excessive multiposting (EMP) of an article to many newsgroups,
> one at a time. E-mail and usenet are separate and distinct functions
> within usenet. Somewhere along the line during the past couple of
> years the term seems to have taken on a meaning that seems to
> encompass damn near everything that people find objectionable
> about some aspects of internet use.

Thank you for the lesson in net abuse.  Running the net abuse desk, I'm
sure I would not be aware of the meanings of those words.

> If you don't like junk e-mail, or what shows up in usenet, then use
> software that allows you to detect and filter it...even if it means
> that you have to actually spend a few dollars.

Hey brainiac, did you read any part of my previous message?  What part of
"stolen resources" don't you understand?  The spammers do not own the
National Capital FreeNet's mail server, nor do they pay us for the storage
space and bandwidth they burn up.  Nor do they compensate me for the two
to six hours I spend every day trying to keep their crap off our system so
some legitimate mail can get through.  Nor do they compensate the systems
whose mail servers they hijack to deliver their unwanted crap, often
causing said systems to either crash, become a pariah on the Internet
(thus losing its connectivity), or both.

> Freedom of expression and freedom of speech is a double edged
> sword, not a double standard. Before you start firing off too many
> missives to civil rights organizations, and encouraging others to do
> the same, take some time to think about whose agenda it is that
> you're promoting.
> 
> Promoting censorship doesn't serve anyone purpose, and it just
> might come back to haunt you one day.

You really are clueless, aren't you?  If the spammers have stolen all our
bandwidth, then nothing gets through.  There is finite bandwidth, and the
spammers are *stealing* it.  Understand?  I don't want to give it to them,
the recipients of the junk don't want ti give it to them, and our system
sure as hell doesn't want to give it to them.  But they do things like
hijack other people's mail servers to *take* what we refuse to give them. 
That is known as theft.  And if all our resources are stolen, it means our
20,000 users can't express *their* views, despite having *paid* for our
resources.

You make a fine spam apologist.  You should join the Freedom Knights so
you can fight for Real True Hayesian Frea Speach.

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 +-=-=-=-Andrew Nellis-=-=-=-=-+ ... Don't worry about people stealing .....
 |  bs904@freenet.carleton.ca  | .   your ideas.  If your ideas are any    .
 | NCF Net Abuse Response Team | .   good you'll have to ram them down     .
 +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ ... people's throats.  [Howard Aiken] .....