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Alan DeKok wrote:

> In article <3516DF1D.C5772DBF@hotmail.com>, Buzz  <purphaze@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >I don't know how spam could just put someone "out of business", maybe youcould
> >explain further. I don't get very much.
>
>   *You* don't, but *Freenet* does.
>
>   Think of what 100,000,000 spam messages a day will do to Freenet.
> That's where we're heading, and nuclear weapons are just NOT an option
> for spammers.
>

This is not an example of how spam put someone out of business.This is you
speculating on what spam may do in the future.

> >You sound a little tensed out my friend. Private property and it's sole
> >owner, are hardly comparable to the internet.
>
>   Bull.  My system is connected 24 hrs/day, 7 days a week.  I've
> gotten spam, hack attacks, and almost anything else that's possible.
>
>   These people are trying to break and enter.  I don't care if it's my
> house or my computer, it's should be a criminal for either.
>
>

When you access the internet you are knowingly opening yourself upto these types of
abuses. If you run out to the street naked, don't
blame the police for arresting you. You did it knowingly.
I am also connected via LAN, 24 hrs, 7 days. I see very little
spam. I post all over with my hotmail address, newgroups, webpages,
etc...yet I see minimal spam, lucky I guess.

> >If these spammers are breaking the law then they should be arrested.
> >From what I understand they can be traced fairly easily, is this not true?
>
>   They're not breaking the law, and they can't always be easily
> traced.

If they are not breaking the law, yet they put people out of business
and crash machines all over the world, then the law should be changed.
Should that not be the target of everyone's efforts?. As with almost
everything, the Government will create laws against spam if it is truly
hurting the average business joe. (eventually)



>   Junk faxes were legal for a while, until weight of public opinion
> forced lawmakers to change that.

As far as I thought, the reason for advertiser's fax's being banned was
because the thermal paper being used was expensive and needed
to be manually replaced. That did cost actual money, not just a
"time & effort" sum. Not to take away from the value of time and
effort, just makes it harder to quote actual $ costs.

>   Spam exists, therefore it crashes servers.  It's large volumes of
> unwanted crap.

Please , can you give any specific's, like who crashed when for how long
and how much did it cost to get back up. I have asked for any stat's
available. So far only speculation.

>
>
> >In my opinion, paper waste and pollution combined with the strip foresting
> >that goes on, is an issue, more important to ME than spam. Is that OK by you?
>
>   Fine.
>
> > This is a forum for discussion, not the prosecution stand. I am now
> > better informed of spam then I was before this thread, but it is
> > difficult to absorb when I have to dodge shots.
>
>   It would have helped if you had approached it inquiring about spam,
> and not stating uninformed opinions.

Hey, an opinion is an opinion. The only thing it IS,.....is mine!Anyway, no one has
given a single example of a major crisis
caused by spam. I can give many examples of  crisis caused
by deforestation...Like the El Salvador Rain forest,
Quote from Recovery of Environment:

After twelve years of civil war, deforestation in El Salvador has reached a
critical stage. Last year, we reported that only 3% of
El-Salvador's land was covered with forest. At the International
Conference on the Recovery of the Environment in El Salvador
held in the capital city of San Salvador on May 12-13, 1994, the
organizers reported to us that only 2% of the country's land is
now covered with forests. There is indeed an environmental crisis
in El Salvador. However, New Forests and CEDRO, are
doing our part to save the remaining native forests and to plant
new forests in El Salvador. In the sections that follow, I will
report on NFP and CEDRO's joint efforts at environmental renewal
through conservation and reforestation.

> To see the rest go to:

http://www.newforestsproject.com/

>

 Deforestation is a real crisis. I ask again if anyone could postsomething real,
with real numbers, and real people  to inform
me (with more than YOUR opinion) on the devastation spam
causes. Until such a time, then I perceive your response as
"uniformed" also.

>
>
> > I would like to help in any way I can, now that I know it's such a
> > large problem. What can the average guy do to help?
>
>   Tell everyone.  Tell your ISP.  Hotmail is a *bad* source of
> spammers.  Tell your politicians.

There has got to be a more effective way then just
telling these people, what little information that
has been supplied here. Give me something to
work with. Where's the beef?

Buzz
Ottawa
http://home.on.rogers.wave.ca/purphaze/index.htm