🚀 go-pugleaf

> 40hrs/wk for $30/mth, and 2.5Mbit downstream, 1Mbit upstream.
> I don't really understand the "hours" concept as it is a
> permanant connection to thier ADSL headend.
> Companies can get a Class C lan ADSL access for about $70/mth
> plus setup.  Considering the $600/mth most local companies pay
> for 2B ISDN service, this is almost an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE cheaper!
> And where is Bell Canada in all of this... lots of talk about
> trials, but as far as something the public can use, they seem to
> have their head up their a**.
> IMHO, this technology (at these prices) would wipe out ISDN and
> cable modem in any areas it is available...
> 
> Time to sell my ISDN T/A?
> Time to check out housing prices in Calgary?

Here's the scoop, I think Cadvision is outright lying (this is my
personal opinion). (See the traceroute attached).  Notice hop number 19
where they are coming out of a router serial port (T1).  T3 Ports do not
come out of serial ports....... T3 Links are still costing $50,000 per
month, you can't sell 2 MBits (real speed given) at $30 per month. 
Either that or they will be out of business in a couple months.  Cable
is also 500 kbps, however it is a shared access to whoever else is in
the loop (usually 3 to 400 customers).

Frank


[2] IGS1:~> traceroute www.cadvision.com
traceroute to drake.cadvision.com (204.50.1.59), 30 hops max, 40 byte
packets
 1  onet-gw (206.248.16.1)  2.236 ms  3.113 ms  2.799 ms
 2  ottawa1-igsott-if.onet.on.ca (130.185.16.45)  8.147 ms  8.133 ms 
5.031 ms
 3  ottawa2-ether2-if.onet.on.ca (130.185.23.130)  7.372 ms
ottawa3-ether1-if.onet.on.ca (130.185.23.3)  6.806 ms ottawa3-ether2-ifs
 4  toronto4-ottawa3-ser2-if.onet.on.ca (130.185.2.133)  16.52 ms
toronto4-ottawa3-ser3-if.onet.on.ca (130.185.2.141)  24.344 ms  3s
 5  exterior-fddi-if.onet.on.ca (130.185.15.2)  27.04 ms  49.966 ms 
39.643 ms
 6  psp.on.canet.ca (192.68.55.1)  29.853 ms  36.692 ms  40.854 ms
 7  psp.il.canet.ca (205.207.238.142)  27.041 ms  257.174 ms  243.025 ms
 8  border3-hssi2-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.26.9)  115.575 ms  43.273
ms  60.628 ms
 9  core-fddi-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.2.81)  171.989 ms  114.873 ms 
45.31 ms
10  core1-hssi-3.WillowSprings.mci.net (204.70.1.86)  56.579 ms  52.599
ms  50.222 ms
11  core4.WillowSprings.mci.net (204.70.4.73)  39.763 ms  45.913 ms 
44.664 ms
12  sl-chi-15-H1/0-T3.sprintlink.net (206.157.77.90)  63.796 ms  46.26
ms  76.431 ms
13  sl-chi-20-P4/0/0-150M.sprintlink.net (144.232.0.137)  43.907 ms 
93.092 ms  70.319 ms
14  sl-chi-20-H1/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.61)  142.327 ms  94.154
ms  87.522 ms
15  sl-sea-5-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.228.90.5)  83.545 ms  114.509 ms 
85.036 ms
16  sl-insinc-2-s-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.95.38)  222.977 ms  150.768
ms  247.565 ms
17  core-spc-cal-1-s2-2.Sprint-Canada.Net (204.50.251.82)  111.167 ms 
131.26 ms  113.416 ms
18  spc-cal-2-fddi0.Sprint-Canada.Net (204.50.251.162)  113.313 ms 
168.887 ms  152.203 ms
19  spc-cal-2-Serial4-T1.Sprint-Canada.Net (204.50.248.238)  127.653 ms 
147.152 ms *
20  drake.cadvision.com (204.50.1.59)  178.288 ms  144.746 ms  137.334
ms