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Article #405Re: ELECTRONIC FRONTIER CANADA - Take on the Law, not the ISP's.
From: Krishna E. Bera
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:00
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:00
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[ott.general removed from newsgroups line as ott.online covers the same territory. if someone feels ott.general is should get this, please repost there.] On 27 Nov 1996 07:06:27 GMT, ag414@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Colin R. Leech) wrote: > >David Jones (djones@insight.mcmaster.ca) writes: >> IGS accused an innocent person of committing a crime. > >They had reasonable grounds for believing that the page might be illegal: >i.e. the fact that the police were calling the page illegal. They were >simply being prudent by disassociating themselves from being potential >accomplices to the crime. Landlords are not guilty by association when one of their tenants commits a crime. Phone companies are not guilty by association when one of their customers utters threats over the phone. In both cases the argument is between the alleged perpetrator, the alleged victims and the police. Perhaps more apropos to a free speech case, universities are not guilty by association when one of their profs makes controversial statements - thats why they have tenure. The web is like a worldwide educational institution in which everyone has the right to publish their views openly. If an ISP really wants to dissociate itself from a particular set of views, or present a balanced view, why not simply publish all the complaints they got? In the IGS case, the lawyers *and* police advised IGS that they were not sure there was any crime. IMO, IGS should have done no more than provide user account details to police, and that only if they were asked to. > >It was a business decision, plain and simple. If you were running a >daycare and somebody accused one of your employees of being a child >molester, wouldn't you suspend him until he was either convicted or >cleared? Otherwise you open yourself up to a lot of potential headache. Colin was not an employee of IGS - which was merely carrying one of his web pages. Further, unlike your example, no one under IGS care (or anywhere else for that matter) was in any danger. IGS have opened themselves to more headaches by effectively declaring they are responsible for monitoring the content of all web pages on their server. > >If you don't like their decision, you can always change to a different ISP. Given the trend to large worldwide ISPs, this may not be possible much longer. As government privatisation continues, corporate political correctness becomes as important as government censorship.
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