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In article <is7abvcr3sqrtvmuor1l8sd3jjc8a258cn@4ax.com>,
 vonroach <vonroach@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 04 May 2003 03:57:06 -0400, The Expatriate <look@spam.bounce> wrote:
> 
> >In article <b90sno$jlf$1@blue.rahul.net>,
> > Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@rahul.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The Expatriate (look@spam.bounce) wrote:
> >> 
> >> ...
> >> : This whole presentation smacks of politically correct revisionism. All 
> >> : Muslims may not be chauvinistic, but don't pretend that chauvinistic 
> >> : Islamic states aren't using religion to hold women down. That just flies 
> >> : in the face of facts.
> >> 
> >>      Chauvinistic Christians (and Jews) use their religion to hold
> >> women down as well.
> >
> >Perhaps, but that "oppression," such as it were, is within their 
> >respective churches and synagogues themselves. The oppression doesn't 
> >extend into government as a matter of policy, as it does in many Muslim 
> >countries.
> 
> Christians hold women down? Like the Virgin Mary? You need treatment for
> paranoia. Jewish and Muslim women are not invited into their respective 
> churches except in special sections, and they have rules regarding clothing,
> but it is not really `oppression' . Terrorist muslim groups welcome women.
> Israeli army service is mandatory for men and women. Are there any female
> Ayatollahs or Imams?

No, and there aren't any female Roman Catholic bishops or cardinals, 
either. But that's not the issue, either.

Christianity, Judaism and Islam all have examples of treating women 
poorly within their respective places of worship. Certain sects of each 
do it all the time, some hardly ever, some not as bad as others. But 
only Muslim states institutionalize female second-class citizenship into 
law. Not all do, of course, but those that do use their religion as a 
justification for doing so.

By the way, I'm not sure what to make of your comment that "Terrorist 
muslim groups welcome women." Am I supposed to be impressed with the 
liberated, open-minded philosophies of these groups?