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Article #209Re: Here is the REAL George Bush!
From: Matt Telles
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:31
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:31
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Uncle Samuel <Stars@Stripes.USA> wrote in message news:<Hdxgd.4156113$6p.691774@news.easynews.com>... > Matt Telles wrote: > > > The "facts" are that we claimed that Iraq had TONS of WMD. > > "Tons"? > > Hmmmmm...not what I recall him saying... Fortuantely, your recollection is not relevant. Vice President Cheney Veterans of Foreign Wars 103 rd National Convention August 26, 2002 "But we now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons. Among other sources, we've gotten this from the firsthand testimony of defectors --including Saddam's own son-in-law, who was subsequently murdered at Saddam's direction. Many of us are convinced that Saddam will acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon. "Armed with an arsenal of these weapons of terror, and seated atop ten percent of the world's oil reserves, Saddam Hussein could then be expected to seek domination of the entire Middle East, take control of a great portion of the world's energy supplies, directly threaten America's friends throughout the region, and subject the United States or any other nation to nuclear blackmail. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." Secretary Powell FOX News Sunday Interview with Tony Snow September 8, 2002 "There is no doubt that he has chemical weapons stocks� With respect to biological weapons, we are confident that he has some stocks of those weapons and he is probably continuing to try to develop more� With respect to nuclear weapons, we are quite confident that he continues to try to pursue the technology that would allow him to develop a nuclear weapon� So there's no question that he has these weapons, but even more importantly, he is striving to do even more, to get even more." Vice President Cheney NBC Meet the Press with Tim Russert September 8, 2002 "What we have seen recently that has raised our level of concern to the current state of unrest, if you will, if I can put it in those terms, is that he now is trying through his illicit procurement network to acquire the equipment he needs to be able to enrich uranium. "Specifically aluminum tubes. There's a story in the New York Times this morning --this is --and I want to attribute it to the Times. I don't want to talk about obviously specific intelligence sources. But it is now public that in fact he has been seeking to acquire, and we have been able to intercept and prevent him from acquiring through this particular channel, the kinds of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge. And the centrifuge is required to take low-grade uranium and enhance it into highly-enriched uranium, which is what you have to have in order to build a bomb. This is a technology he was working on back say before the Gulf War. "And one of the reasons it's of concern to him is we know about a particular shipment --we have intercepted that --we don't know what else, what other avenues he may be taking out there, what he may have already acquired� So we have to deal with these bits and pieces and try to put them together into a mosaic to understand what's going on. But we do know with absolute certainty that he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapon." National Security Advisor Rice The New Republic (June 30, 2003) September 8, 2002 "There will always be some uncertainty about how quickly [Saddam] can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." Secretary Rumsfeld The New Republic (June 30, 2003) September 8, 2002 "Imagine a September eleventh with weapons of mass destruction. It's not three thousand � it's tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children." President Bush United Nations General Assembly, New York September 12, 2002 "U. N. inspectors believe Iraq has produced two to four times the amount of biological agents it declared, and has failed to account for more than three metric tons of material that could be used to produce biological weapons. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons. "United Nations' inspections also revealed that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons. "And in 1995, after four years of deception, Iraq finally admitted it had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993. "Today, Iraq continues to withhold important information about its nuclear program --weapons design, procurement logs, experiment data, an accounting of nuclear materials and documentation of foreign assistance. Iraq employs capable nuclear scientists and technicians. It retains physical infrastructure needed to build a nuclear weapon. Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should Iraq acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a year. And Iraq's state-controlled media has reported numerous meetings between Saddam Hussein and his nuclear scientists, leaving little doubt about his continued appetite for these weapons. "Iraq also possesses a force of Scud-type missiles with ranges beyond the 150 kilometers permitted by the U. N. Work at testing and production facilities shows that Iraq is building more long-range missiles that it can inflict mass death throughout the region� "We know that Saddam Hussein pursued weapons of mass murder even when inspectors were in his country. Are we to assume that he stopped when they left?" A Decade of Deception and Defiance White House Fact Sheet September 12, 2002 Biological Weapons -2001 Iraqi defector said, "he had visited twenty secret facilities for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons." -"UNSCOM experts concluded� that Iraq actually produced two to four times the amount of most agents, including anthrax and botulinum toxin, than it had declared." -Failure to account for 3 tons of growth material for biological agents. -Al-Dawrah Foot and Mouth Disease Vaccine Facility is one of two known biocontainment level 3 facilities. -Continued attempts to procure mobile biological weapons laboratories "that could be used for further research and development." Chemical Weapons -"Saddam Hussein continues his efforts to develop chemical weapons." -"Gaps identified by UNSCOM� strongly suggest that Iraq maintains stockpiles of chemical agents, probably VX, sarin, cyclosarin, and mustard." -Hundreds of tons of chemical precursors and tens of thousands of unfilled munitions remain unaccounted for. -15,000 artillery rockets remain unaccounted for. -550 artillery shells filled with mustard agent remain unaccounted for. -Continued rebuilding and expansion of dual-use infrastructure that could rapidly be diverted to chemical weapons production (eg: chlorine and phenol plants) -"Seeking to purchase chemical weapons agent precursors and applicable production equipment." -Attempting to hide activities at the Fallujah plant -Chlorine production capacity far higher than required for civilian water treatment needs at Fallujah and three other plants. "Evidence indicates that some of its chlorine imports are being diverted for military purposes." Nuclear Weapons -Capability to build a nuclear bomb within months if Iraq acquired fissile material. -"Embarked on worldwide hunt for materials to make atomic bomb." -Sought to purchase thousands of specially designed aluminum tubes "which officials believe were intended as components of centrifuges to enrich uranium." -Withheld documentation on past nuclear program. -"Still has the technical expertise and some of the infrastructure needed to pursue goal of building a nuclear weapon." -"Saddam Hussein has repeatedly met with his nuclear scientists over the past two years." Ballistic Missiles -"Believed to be developing ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 km." -"Discrepancies identified by UNSCOM� suggest that Iraq retains small force of SCUD-type missiles and an undetermined number of launchers and warheads." -"Continues work on the al-Samoud liquid propellant short-range missile (which can fly beyond the allowed 150 kilometers)." -"The al-Samoud and Ababil-100 appeared in a military parade in Baghdad on December 31, 2000, suggesting that both systems are nearing operational deployment." -"The Al-Rafah-North facility is Iraq's principal site for testing liquid propellant missile engines� has been building a new, larger test stand there that is clearly intended for testing prohibited longer-range missile engines." -Al-Mamoun facility, rebuilt structures for Badr-2000 missile program that had been dismantled by UNSCOM. Other Means of Delivery -Continued conversion of L-29 jet trainer aircraft for potential vehicles to deliver chemical or biological weapons. Government of Great Britain Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government September 24, 2002 General Conclusions -Iraq has military plans to use chemical and biological weapons, including against Iraq's Shia population. "Some of these weapons are deployable within 45 minutes of an order to use them." -Iraq has command and control arrangements to employ chemical and biological weapons in place. "Special Security Organization and Special Republic Guard units would be involved in the movement of any chemical and biological weapons to military units. The Iraqi military holds artillery and missile systems at Corps level throughout the Armed Forces and conducts regular training with them. The Directorate of Rocket Forces has operational control of strategic missile systems and some multiple Launcher Rocket Systems." Biological Weapons -"We know from intelligence that Iraq has continued to produce biological warfare agents� Iraq also has its own engineering capability to design and construct biological agent� and is judged to be self-sufficient in the technology required to produce biological weapons. The experience personnel who were active in the program have largely remained in the country." -Facilities of concern include: Castor Oil Production Plant at Fallujah, al-Dawrah Foot and Mouth Disease Vaccine Institute, Amariyah Serum and Vaccine Plant at Abu Ghraib -"There was intelligence that Iraq was starting to produce biological warfare agents in mobile production facilities." -"Recent intelligence confirms that the Iraqi military have developed mobile facilities." Chemical Weapons -"In mid-2001, the JIC (Joint Intelligence Committee) assessed that Iraq retained some chemical warfare agents, precursors, production equipment and weapons from before the Gulf War. These stocks would enable Iraq to produce significant quantities of mustard gas within weeks and of nerve agent within months." -"Iraq has continued to produce chemical agent." The chlorine and phenol plants at Fallujah are of particular concern, as is the phosgene production plant at al-Qa'qa'. -Those of concern include: Ibn Sina Company at Tarmiyah, al Qa'qa' chemical complex Nuclear Weapons -"The present Iraqi program is almost certainly seeking an indigenous ability to enrich uranium to the level needed for a nuclear weapon." -"Iraq is making concerted covert efforts to acquire dual-use technology and materials with nuclear applications." -"Iraq has sought the supply of significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -Attempt to purchase vacuum pumps, magnet production line, Anhydrous Hydrogen Fluoride, a large filament winding machine, and a large balancing machine for uranium enrichment purposes. -Repeated attempts to purchase 60,000 or more specialized aluminum tubes. "The specialized aluminum in question is subject to international export controls because of its potential application in the construction of gas centrifuges used to enrich uranium, although there is no definitive intelligence that it is destined for a nuclear program." -"While sanctions remain effect Iraq would not be able to produce a nuclear weapon." -"If they were removed or prove ineffective, it would take Iraq at least 5 years to produce sufficient fissile material for a weapon indigenously." -Weapon within 1 to 2 years with acquired fissile material. Ballistic Missiles -Retained up to 20 Al-Hussein ballistic missiles with range of 650km. "They could be used with conventional, chemical, or biological warheads and, with a range of up to 650km, are capable of reaching a number of countries in the region including Cyprus, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Israel." -Began development of missiles with range of over 1000 km that could have been produced, under sanctions, by 2007. -"Iraq wants to extend the range of its missile systems to over 1000km," and "satellite imagery has shown a new engine test stand being constructed� capable of testing engines for medium range ballistic missiles with ranges over 1000km." -At least 50 Al Samoud missiles have been produced and Iraq has "used the absence of weapons inspectors to work on extending the range to at least 200km." -Production of Ababil-100 underway and "Iraq has worked on extending its range to at least 200 km." -Iraq has the "technical expertise" to develop chemical and biological warheads for the al-Samoud/ Ababil-100 ballistic missiles. -Attempted and some successful procurement of prohibited technology and materials (eg: aluminum powder, ammonium perchlorate, and hydroxyl terminated polybutadiene, liquid propellant chemicals). Other Means of Delivery -"In the last six months, the JIC has confirmed its earlier judgements on Iraqi chemical and biological warfare capabilities and assessed that Iraq has the means to deliver chemical and biological weapons." -"Iraq has a variety of delivery means available for chemical and biological agents." -Over 20,000 artillery munitions remain unaccounted for, according to UNSCOM. -"It is probable that Iraq retains a capability for aerosol dispersal of both chemical and biological agent over a large area." -"Iraq has attempted to modify the L-29 jet trainer to allow it to be used as an UAV which is potentially capable of delivering chemical and biological agents over a large area." National Security Advisor Rice The New Republic (June 30, 2003) September 25, 2002 "There clearly are contacts between Al Qaeda and Iraq� There clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship there." Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld The New Republic (June 30, 2003) September 26, 2002 In Washington on September 26, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld claimed he had "bulletproof" evidence of ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Central Intelligence Agency Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs October 2002 General Conclusions "Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade." "Iraq has preserved and in some cases enhanced the infrastructure and expertise necessary for WMD production and has used that capability to maintain a stockpile of WMD and to increase its size and sophistication in some areas." "In the absence of inspectors, Baghdad's already considerable ability to work on prohibited programs without risk of discovery has increased, and there is substantial evidence that Iraq is reconstituting prohibited programs." Biological Weapons -"Baghdad has established a large-scale, redundant, and concealed BW agent production capability, which includes mobile facilities; these facilities can evade detection, are highly survivable, and can exceed the production rates Iraq had prior to the Gulf war." -"Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating BW agents and is capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety of such agents for delivery by bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers and covert operatives, including potentially against the US Homeland." -"Iraq has the capability to convert quickly legitimate vaccine and biopesticide plants to biological warfare production and already may have done so." -"Experts from UNSCOM assessed that Baghdad's declarations vastly understated the production of biological agents and estimated that Iraq actually produced two-to-four times the amount of agent that is acknowledged producing, including Bacillus anthracis." -"The improvement or expansion of a number of nominally 'civilian' facilities that were directly associated with biological weapons indicates that key aspects of Iraq's offensive BW program are active and most elements more advanced and larger than before the 1990-1991 Gulf War." Facilities of concern include: al-Dawrah Foot and Mouth Disease Vaccine Facility, Amiriyah Serum and Vaccine Institute, and the Fallujah III Castor Oil Production Plant Chemical Weapons -"Baghdad has begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, cyclosarin, and VX." -"Iraq has the ability to produce chemical warfare agents within its chemical industry, although it probably depends on external sources for some precursors." -"Baghdad is expanding its infrastructure, under cover of civilian industries, that it could use to advance its CW agent production capability." -"Gaps in Iraqi accounting and current production capabilities strongly suggest that Iraq maintains a stockpile of chemical agents, probably VX, sarin, cyclosarin, and mustard." -"Iraq probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons and possibly as much as 500 metric tons of CW agents." -"Iraq probably has concealed precursors, production equipment, documentation and other items necessary for continuing its CW effort." -"Thousands of tons of chemical precursors and tens of thousands of unfilled munitions� remain unaccounted for." -Overstated use of chemical bombs in Iran-Iraq war by at least 6,000. -15,000 artillery rockets not accounted for. -550 artillery shells filled with mustard agent not accounted for. -"Baghdad continues to rebuild and expand dual-use infrastructure that it could divert quickly to CW production� Iraq is seeking to purchase CW agent precursors and applicable production equipment and is trying to hide the activities of the Fallujah plant." Nuclear Weapons -"In the absence of inspections, however, most analysts assess that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear program -"unraveling the IAEA's hard-earned accomplishments." -No weapon before the last half of the decade if fissile material produced indigenously. -Weapon within a year with acquired fissile material. -"Iraq's efforts to procure tens of thousands of proscribed high-strength aluminum tubes are of significant concern. All intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons and that these tubes could be used in a centrifuge enrichment program. Most intelligence specialists assess this to be the intended use, but some believe that these tubes are probably intended for conventional weapons programs." -"Iraq has withheld important details relevant to its nuclear program." -Retains cadre of nuclear scientists, program documentation, sufficient dual-use capabilities "to support a reconstituted nuclear weapons program." -"An increase in dual-use procurement activity in recent years may be supporting a reconstituted nuclear weapons program." -Numerous meetings between Saddam and scientists over the past two years. -"Baghdad may have acquired uranium enrichment capabilities that could shorten substantially the amount of time necessary to make a nuclear weapon." Ballistic Missiles -"Iraq has developed a ballistic missile capability that exceeds the 150km range limitation established under UNSCR 687." -"Discrepancies in Baghdad's declarations suggest that Iraq retains a small force of extended-range Scud-type missiles and an undetermined number of launchers and warheads." -"Iraq never explained the disposition of advanced missile components, such as guidance and control systems, that it could not produce on its own and that would be critical to developmental programs." -"The al-Samoud liquid propellant SRBM and the Ababil-100 solid propellant SRBM, however, are capable of flying beyond the allowed 150km range. Both missiles have been tested aggressively and are in early deployment." -"Other evidence strongly suggests Iraq is modifying missile testing and production facilities to produce even longer-range missiles." -"The Al-Rafah-North Liquid Propellant Engine Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation Facility is Iraq's principal site for the static testing of liquid propellant missile engines� Baghdad has begun building a new test stand there that is larger� The only possible explanation for this test facility is that Iraq intends to test engines for longer-range missiles." -"The Al Mutasim Solid Rocket Motor and Test Facility, previously associated with Iraq's Badr-2000 solid propellant missile program, has been rebuilt and expanded... the size of certain facilities there� suggests that Baghdad is preparing to develop systems that are prohibited by the UN." -"At the Al Mamoun Solid Rocket Motor Production Plant and RDT& E Facility, the Iraqis, since the December 1998 departure of inspectors, have rebuilt structures damaged during the Gulf War and dismantled by UNSCOM that originally were built to manufacture solid propellant motors for the Badr-2000 program. They also have built a new building and are reconstructing other buildings originally designed to fill large Badr-2000 motor casings with solid propellant. Also at al-Mamoun, the Iraqis have rebuilt two structures used to 'mix' solid propellant for the Badr-2000 missile� the only logical explanation for the size and configuration of these mixing buildings is that Iraq intends to develop longer-range prohibited missiles." -"The Iraqis have completed a new ammonium perchlorate production plant at Mamoun that supports Iraq's solid propellant missile program." Other Means of Delivery -"Iraq is continuing to develop other platforms which most analysts believe probably are intended for delivering biological warfare agents." -"Baghdad's UAVs � especially if used for delivery of chemical and biological warfare agents � could threaten Iraq's neighbors, US forces in the Persian Gulf, and the United States if brought close to, or into, the US Homeland." -"Iraq already has produced modified drop-tanks that can disperse biological or chemical weapons effectively" (aircraft and helicopter-mounted). President Bush Rose Garden October 2, 2002 "In defiance of pledges to the UN it has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons. It is rebuilding the facilities used to make those weapons. UN inspectors believe that Iraq could have produced enough biological and chemical agent to kill millions of people. The regime has the scientists and facilities to build nuclear weapons and is seeking the materials needed to do so." CIA Director Tenet Letter to Senator Graham The New Republic (June 19, 2003) October 7, 2002 The CIA had "solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade." President Bush Cincinnati, Ohio October 7, 2002 "In 1995, after several years of deceit by the Iraqi regime, the head of Iraq's military industries defected. It was then that the regime was forced to admit that it had produced more than 30,000 liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents. The inspectors, however, concluded that Iraq had likely produced two to four times that amount. This is a massive stockpile of biological weapons that has never been accounted for, and is capable of killing millions. "We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, and VX nerve gas. Saddam Hussein also has experience in using chemical weapons. He has ordered chemical attacks on Iran, and on more than forty villages in his own country. These actions killed or injured at least 20,000 people, more than six times the number of people who died in the attacks of September 11. "And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it has used to produce chemical and biological weapons� "We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical and biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using UAVs for missions targeting the United States. "And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems are not required for a chemical or biological attack --all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it. "And that is the source of our urgent concern about Saddam Hussein's links to international terrorist groups. "Many people have asked how close Saddam Hussein is to developing a nuclear weapon. We don't know exactly, and that is the problem. Before the Gulf War, the best intelligence indicated that Iraq was eight to 10 years away from developing a nuclear weapon; after the war, international inspectors learned that the regime had been much closer. The regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993. "The inspectors discovered that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a workable nuclear weapon, and was pursuing several different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. "Before being barred from Iraq in 1998, the International Atomic Energy Agency dismantled extensive nuclear weapons-related facilities, including three uranium-enrichment sites. "That same year, information from a high-ranking Iraqi nuclear engineer who had defected, revealed that despite his public promises, Saddam Hussein had ordered his nuclear program to continue. The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. "Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahedeen" --his nuclear holy warriors. "Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. "Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons. "If the Iraqi regime is able to produce, buy, or steal an amount of highly-enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball, it could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year." US Department of State Fact Sheet, Office of the Spokesman December 19, 2002 Biological Weapons "The UN Special Commission concluded that Iraq did not verifiably account for, at a minimum, 2160kg of growth media. This is enough to produce 26,000 liters of anthrax� 3 times the amount Iraq declared; 1200 liters of botulinum toxin; and 5500 liters of clostridium perfrigens� 16 times the amount Iraq declared." -"In January 1999, UNSCOM reported that Iraq failed to provide credible evidence that� 400 biological weapon-capable aerial bombs had been lost or destroyed." -"The Iraqi declaration provides no information about its mobile biological weapon agent facilities. Instead it insists that these are 'refrigeration vehicles and food testing laboratories. '" Chemical Weapons -"In 1999, UNSCOM and international experts concluded that Iraq needed to provide additional, credible information about VX production." -"The Iraqi regime has never adequately accounted for hundreds, possibly thousands, of tons of chemical precursors." -"In January 1999, UNSCOM reported that Iraq failed to provide credible evidence that 550 mustard gas-filled artillery shells� had been lost or destroyed." -"There is no adequate accounting for nearly 30,000 empty munitions that could be filled with chemical agents." Means of Delivery "Iraq admitted in 1995 that a MIG-21 remote-piloted vehicle tested in 1991 was to carry a biological weapon spray system." "Iraq already knows how to put these biological agents into bombs and how to disperse biological agent using aircraft or unmanned aerial vehicles." Nuclear Weapons "The Declaration ignores efforts to procure uranium from Niger." Ballistic Missiles "Iraq has disclosed manufacturing new energetic fuels suited only to a class of missile to which it does not admit." -"Iraq claims that flight-testing of a larger diameter missile falls within the 150km limit. This claim is not credible." President Bush Crawford, Texas December 31, 2002 "Well, first of all, I think it's important to remember that Saddam Hussein was close to having a nuclear weapon. We don't know whether or not he has a nuclear weapon." Bye Commie. Matt
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