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joe311@comnet.org (Joe) wrote:
>Trish <Trish@speedy.ehs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>>>A line must be drawn somewhere; most people would agree the
>>>above examples represent such a place. However, what if I raise my
>>>kids to be snake handlers? Or worship Satan? It's a slippery slope.
>
>>  Indeed it is.  If you were to choose the above for them, 
>>then so be it.  My point is, while I may not find it 
>>personally to be a good choice, or rather a choice I would 
>>have made, it's not my place or anyone elses to tell you it's 
>>wrong for you and your's.
>
>That sounds good, but it's not exactly true.  Why isn't it anyone
>else's place to tell someone how to raise "their" kid?   

  Well, some might make the same argument about what sort of 
sex you may or may not be having. :) (depends on where you 
live)  If you lived next to me and lets say, you bought your 
kid a two wheel bike and he/she is out riding.  I come out and 
tell your kid to go put on jeans because I think riding in 
shorts is dangerous.  Well, if he/she falls they could rip off 
some major skin, possibly imbed some rocks in it etc....  
Should that be my job?  And, you are not going to mind me 
butting in?  No is the obvious answer to both.


>Poorly-raised
>children eventually turn into maladjusted adults who cost our >society
>untold billions in dollars and suffering.


  This is not a given.  I could counter with..."Some of the 
best kids I have ever seen who had everything, were honor 
students through high school etc...suddenly turned into 
(insert your favorite patho behavior here) and they are 
costing us billions each year just to house them in jail and 
send them to the dentist etc...."   

  Since when did society become the "allmighty" and decide 
that there should be no existance short of a perfect 
one....without risk....etc???  (like it is even possible for 
keyrists sakes!) 

  Is this attitude (everyone wanting more laws, more 
input into every one elses personal lives) just a knee-jerk 
response to a nation who (reportedly) feels (and is?) totally 
out of control?  So, we should counter by turning ourselves 
over totally and without argument to "big brother"?  I don't 
think so.


>Most of the carnage in
>our nation's cities is caused by people under the age of 18.
>

  Stats on this????


>It really does take a whole village to raise a child.  Because it only
>takes one child to destroy a whole village.
>
>
>

  I respectfully disagree.  If little Johnny down the street 
decides to become our local arsonist/tire slasher/rapist 
etc....I am not going to stand back and let him take over the 
village I live in.  I will turn his delinquent butt over the 
the authorities.  If his folks are sending him out to commit 
these acts, and I find out, then they will be turned over.  
Under no circumstance is it my place or position to go down 
there and read them the riot act trying to cram my 
ideas/ideals down their throats.  All I can do and should do 
as a neighbor is report what I know is illegal to the people 
that handle it.  Let the judge get them family counseling or 
psychiatric care if it is deemed necessary.  


 

  Hows the saying....."the road to hell is paved with good 
intentions"?  This is just like arguing about a million other 
things.  We have the basics (so to speak) on the law books.  
Certain acts toward children, adults, dogs etc.....are illegal 
acts.  This is fine and I am not arguing that point.  I am 
against adding a plethera of new laws and forcing big brother 
further into our households and lives.  Besides, if you make 
having sex on fridays illegal, who are you going to send to 
enforce it?  The neighbor?