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"john_judy" <No_Spam@please.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave Thompson" <dav13795@wdmdx1.com> wrote in message
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> > "gregorio cortez" <sheriffkiller@vivalaraza.net> wrote in message
> > news:RcI09.318155$iX5.15927698@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
> > > It would have been a more accurate title for Ms. Knight's diatribe...
> >
> >
> > It would be even more accurate to call your baseless opposition
> > unsubstantial and cowardly.
> >
> > Not a liberal myself but she does have some points to discuss. Care to
get
> > specific?
> >
>
> I dunno Dave... It seemed pretty stupid to me as well.  Let's go down this
> little nugget, point by point:

My remark to previous poster was pretty much just a reaction to his not
being specific about why he thought she was stupid. If he had done what you
did I probably wouldn't have replied in that manner.

I pretty much agree with your assesment of her article with some minor
differences - but it's Sunday and the sun is shining and my daughter wants
to pick flowers out of the garden so I'm just not interested in details at
the moment. I hope you understand.


>
>
>    Call Me Liberal
>
>    by Rebecca Knight
>
>
>    I believe that George W. Bush re-invented himself and his Texas record
>    in order to gain the presidency.
>
> >> OK, this may or may not be the case (Personally, I think it's an
> >>exaggeration of some instances where dumbuya lied), but what does it
> >>have to do with being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that the United States Supreme Court selected our president
>    in 2000 through partisan prejudices and personal interests. They
>    stated that their decision had no precedent and could not be used as a
>    precedent in the future.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case,
> >> but what does it have to do with being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that George W. Bush meant what he said about wishing he were
>    a dictator and Congress makes it easier for him to behave like one.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case,
> >> but what does it have to do with being a liberal?  Surely people of all
> >> political stripes can again that dumbuya's mouth gets him in trouble.
>
>    I believe that the Bush administration is responsible for failing to
>    protect American citizens by connecting the dots of intelligence
>    information and warnings given about impending terrorist attacks on
>    U.S. soil. Why else would Bush wait eight months to acknowledge that
>    he had been given a briefing on the possibility?
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal? Personally, I think this is bullshit. There were
lapses
> made
> >> by several parties, but how the hell do you prevent an act of terrorism
> as
> >> brilliant as 9/11? Before you drooling idiots get started with your
> diatribes
> >> about patriotism and mindless "USA! USA!" chants, I call the strike
> >> brilliant because it was.  Note I do not call it good, justified, etc.
>
>    I believe that Congress is complicit in knee-jerk reactions to the
>    attacks of 9/11 that have given too much power and authority to the
>    president and the justice department. The Patriot Act is a threat to
>    our civil liberties. The Joint Resolution enacted by Congress on Sept.
>    15, 2001 allows Bush to determine which nations, organizations, or
>    individuals are connected to the 9/11 attacks and also determine what
>    is the necessary force to use against them.
>
> >> OK... Here we have a point that could be construed as having something
to
> do with "liberalism".
> >> I'll give her this one
>
>    I believe that while a new cabinet level department for homeland
>    security may be necessary, it is much more critical to uncover and
>    correct shortcomings of the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that the proposed TIPS program is fascist and insane. There
>    are too many wacko right-wingers who would turn in dissenting
>    Americans as traitors. There is no comparison to this program and
>    others like community watches. TIPS would have Americans inform on
>    other Americans based upon what an individual interprets as the
>    meaning of a book read or a word spoken.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal? Here she starts to show her true colors though.
>
>    I believe that the United States should be a leader for peace and not
>    war. When a president speechifies about an "axis of evil" without
>    documented evidence of specific evils, it is he who is responsible for
>    heightening the dangers of violence against America.
>
> >> Ok, the first sentence is just a bit naive.  As the biggest kid on the
> block, we
> >> will inevitably need to be "a leader for war" at certain points.  Sad?
> Yes. True? Yes.
> >> However, I will grant her the second sentence.  I believe that sort of
> commentary shows the
> >> depth of dumbuya's under qualification for the job he somehow managed
to
> get.
>
>    I believe that the United States already spends enough money on
>    defense, if managed efficiently. Our defense budget is already larger
>    than all other nations throughout the world combined.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal? It's extremely easy to make this sort of statement
when
> you have
> >> the excellent military analysis skills that come from being " native
> Tennessean,
> >> who grew up in Nashville, and  currently resides in a small town near
> Nashville".
>
>    I believe that the missile defense system is a boondoggle that will
>    never work and will waste money better spent on more worthwhile
>    projects. Oh, but it will accomplish the goal of enriching the defense
>    industry.
>
> >> See above
>
>    I believe that diplomacy, a coherent foreign policy, and efficient
>    intelligence agencies combined with military strength is the right
>    path to dealing with terrorists. A show of military strength alone
>    makes us bullies.
>
> >> See above.
>
>    I believe that the military actions taken against the Taliban and Al
>    Qaeda resulted in unnecessary civilian death and destruction. The
>    stated mission to get bin Laden was not accomplished.
>
> >> See above.  Not only is she simply voicing opinions that have nothing
to
> do with
> >> "liberalism", she is also making statement she cannot prove based on
> facts she does not have.
>
>    I believe it highly suspicious that most of the areas the Bush
>    administration believes harbor terrorists also control vast oil
>    supplies.
>
> >> Like Afghanistan? Or North Korea?  Really, I know what she is
attempting
> to say,
> >> but I don't think she does.  It's more about the opportunity to
transport
> oil to free
> >> shipping lanes than it is about oil itself.
> >> Again, what does it have to do with  being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that former weapons inspectors, such as Scott Ritter, who
>    spent seven years in Iraq, have the best insight into the true danger
>    posed by Saddam Hussein and Iraq. Mr. Ritter recently stated this:
>    "The Bush administration has provided the American public with little
>    more than rhetorically laced speculation. There has been nothing in
>    the way of substantive fact presented that makes the case that Iraq
>    possesses these weapons or has links to international terror, that
>    Iraq poses a threat to the United States of America worthy of war."
>
> >> I believe she may be quoting out of context, as the fact that Iraq has
> had weapons
> >> of mass destruction is well established.  Just ask the Kurds.  And
since
> when has Scott Ritter been
> >> an authority on what the U.S. deems worthy of war?  He does bring up a
> good point though.
> >> "The Bush administration has provided the American public with little
> more than rhetorically laced speculation"
> >> Again, what does it have to do with  being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that going to war against Iraq would be a gigantic mistake
>    and increase the instability of the entire Middle East region.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal? It's extremely easy to make this sort of statement
when
> you have
> >> the excellent military analysis skills that come from being " native
> Tennessean,
> >> who grew up in Nashville, and  currently resides in a small town near
> Nashville".
>
>
>    I believe that the United States should lead by example in treatment
>    of prisoners of war. Our standards should be based on fair and humane
>    practices.
>
> >> Which we do, and again, what does it have to do with  being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that the father of the sitting president should not be
>    connected in any way with corporate conglomerates that profit from
>    war.
>
> >> As do I, but again, what does it have to do with  being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that Bush and Cheney allow energy companies too much power
>    in determining U.S. policies and this will be proven through the
>    lawsuits against Cheney.
>
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that Bush and Cheney practiced unethical, possibly illegal,
>    chicanery while involved in the private business world.
>
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that there is more than enough information available about
>    Bush administration corruption to warrant a detailed investigation
>    leading to possible impeachment.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that were the current president a Democrat and circumstances
>    involving corruption were identical to Bush's, the Republicans would
>    already have just such an investigation under way.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that the Democratic Party is being far too lenient in
>    questioning actions by the Bush administration. However, I also
>    believe that there is enough trouble for the Republicans on the
>    horizon to shift control of Congress to the Democrats this fall.
>    Perhaps it is politically expedient to focus on that goal right now
>    and leave the investigating until after the elections.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?  May have something to do with being a Democrat, but
the
> to are not always the same thing.
>
>    I believe that both major political parties are too closely associated
>    to corporate conglomerates that lobby to influence legislation.
>
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that corporate corruption is rampant and is in large part
>    due to the relaxing of government oversight as promoted by the
>    Republican Party, which overrode the Clinton veto of a
>    securities-industry bill that made it more difficult for investors to
>    sue corporations, stopped Clinton's Treasury secretary from cracking
>    down on offshore accounts, and stopped Clinton's Securities and
>    Exchange Commissioner from barring accounting firms from working as
>    both accountant and consultant.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal? Sounds like pining for Clinton to me (Though I
couldn't
> blame her for that.  I miss the guy too)
>
>    I believe that corporate corruption is directly responsible for the
>    decline in the stock market and Bush's attempts to encourage stability
>    in the market has caused exactly the opposite due to his own alleged
>    corruption with Harken Energy.
>
> >> Really? Prove it.  And again, this may or may not be the case, but what
> does it have to do with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that the only way to have elected officials be accountable
>    to their constituents and not the corporations, is to totally overhaul
>    campaign financing. Public funding of campaigns may be the only
>    solution.
>
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that the expense of corporate welfare is far more
>    detrimental to the U.S. budget than social welfare.
>
> >> Eh, I guess this would have something to do with liberalism.... OK.
>
>    I believe that corporate conglomerates do not need nor deserve more
>    tax breaks. It is a fallacy that these tax breaks result in the
>    creation of more jobs.
>
> >> Eh, I guess this would have something to do with liberalism.... Though
> her conclusion is
> >> arguable
>
>    I believe that "trickle down" economics has never and will never work.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that the Bush tax cut enacted last year was truly created
>    through "fuzzy math" and merely a pay back to his rich buddies for
>    supporting his campaign. It used up 43% of the surplus and helped
>    return deficit spending and national debt.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that it is wrong to pile up national debt that our children
>    and grandchildren will some day have to pay off.
>
> >> Hell, she sounds conservative here.
>
>    I believe that it is outrageous to deplete the Social Security trust
>    fund.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that racism and sexism still exist in America and that we
>    must teach our children more about cultural diversity and acceptance.
>
> >> Eh, I guess this would have something to do with liberalism....
>
>    I believe that the government has no right to tell a woman what she
>    can or cannot do with her body. Reproductive choices are hers alone
>    and should be based on her beliefs and faith.
>
> >> Eh, I guess this would have something to do with liberalism....
>
>    I believe that we should spend more on public education, not less. We
>    should hire more teachers, invest in technology, and invest in
>    modernized school buildings.
>
> >> Eh, I guess this would have something to do with liberalism....
>
>    I believe that vouchers for private schooling are simply welfare for
>    the rich and will siphon funds from public schools.
>
> >> Eh, I guess this would have something to do with liberalism....
>
>    I believe that the minimum wage should be raised and executive pay
>    should be lowered. Why is it that those who oppose raising the minimum
>    wage have no problem with outrageously high executive compensation as
>    if a corporation cannot afford to pay employees fairly, but the
>    salaries of executives are necessary expenditures?
>
> >> Eh, I guess this would have something to do with liberalism....
>
>    I believe that all Americans should have access to affordable health
>    care and that funding for medical research should be a priority.
>
> >> Eh, I guess this would have something to do with liberalism....
>
>    I believe that establishing a federal repository for nuclear waste is
>    a disaster waiting to happen.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that rational environmental policies should be a priority,
>    especially when for the benefit of public health.
>
> >> As opposed to irrational ones?  Sorry, you gotta provide more detail
than
> that.
>
>    I believe that corporations should be held financially responsible for
>    correcting environmental problems they cause.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I believe that the United States is facing a leadership crisis of
>    unparalleled proportion.
>
> >> Again, this may or may not be the case, but what does it have to do
with
> >> being a liberal?
>
>    I also believe that were the rightful man, Al Gore, sitting in the
>    White House circumstances would be vastly different and for the
>    better!
>
> >> OK, that may be a liberal point of view... As stupid as it is.  There
is
> no way to know what would
> >> have happened if Al Gore was president.
>
>    And there you have it! Call me whatever you like -- a dreamer or just
>    plain crazy -- but these are my beliefs and I stand behind them.
>
> >> How about if I call her someone who simply wrapped her own opinions
with
> >> the label "liberal" in order to get others to read them, even though
the
> vast majority of them
> >> were simply uneducated armchair critiques of the Bush administration
and
> other conjecture?
>
>
>
>