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Re: The Media Cover-Up of the Gore Victory

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From: Michael Dix
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:59
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Baxter wrote:

> 
> "Michael Dix" <look@sig.please.because.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:400F5D18.8050900@sig.please.because.this.is.invalid...
> 
>>Baxter wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It wasn't the Democratic Party.  You're attempting to paint the Dems as
>>
> a
> 
>>>villain.  They're not.  Far more damage was done to democracy by the
>>>Repuglicans blocking the count than was ever done by anyone's attempt to
>>>enforce laws on the books.  The specific case you cite is simply a
>>>difference between Federal and State law that has nothing to do with
>>>Political parties.  In fact, the ruling points that out.
>>
>>All the countable (i.e. machine-readable) votes were counted. Next
>>time, punch the chads all the way through.
>>
>>The "state law" applied to mutilated ballots, not unpunched ones.
>>
> 
> State law applies to all ballots where the "intent of the voter" can be
> determined.  You can turn in a unpunched card with your selection written on
> it and it is valid and countable.

Do you have any reference for that? The only mention of "intent
of the voter", from the Florida statutes in 2000, refers to
damaged or defective voting cards:

Search box on http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm
Set year to 2000.

  The 2000 Florida Statutes

  Title IX
  ELECTORS AND ELECTIONS Chapter 101
  Voting Methods And Procedure View Entire Chapter

  101.5614  Canvass of returns.--


  (5)  If any ballot card of the type for which the offices and measures 
    are not printed directly on the card is damaged or defective so that 
it cannot properly be counted by the automatic tabulating equipment, a 
true duplicate copy shall be made of the damaged ballot card in the 
presence of witnesses and substituted for the damaged ballot. Likewise, 
a duplicate ballot card shall be made of a defective ballot which shall 
not include the invalid votes. All duplicate ballot cards shall be 
clearly labeled "duplicate," bear a serial number which shall be 
recorded on the damaged or defective ballot card, and be counted in lieu 
of the damaged or defective ballot. If any ballot card of the type for 
which offices and measures are printed directly on the card is damaged 
or defective so that it cannot properly be counted by the automatic 
tabulating equipment, a true duplicate copy may be made of the damaged 
ballot card in the presence of witnesses and in the manner set forth 
above, or the valid votes on the damaged ballot card may be manually 
counted at the counting center by the canvassing board, whichever 
procedure is best suited to the system used. If any paper ballot is 
damaged or defective so that it cannot be counted properly by the 
automatic tabulating equipment, the ballot shall be counted manually at 
the counting center by the canvassing board. The totals for all such 
ballots or ballot cards counted manually shall be added to the totals 
for the several precincts or election districts. No vote shall be 
declared invalid or void if there is a clear indication of the intent of 
the voter as determined by the canvassing board. After duplicating a 
ballot, the defective ballot shall be placed in an envelope provided for 
that purpose, and the duplicate ballot shall be tallied with the other 
ballots for that precinct.




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From: Michael Dix <look@sig.please.because.this.is.invalid>
Newsgroups: pdx.general,la.general,ny.general,chi.general
Subject: Re: The Media Cover-Up of the Gore Victory
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:59:27 -0800
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