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> > > "Mark Cook" <mcook@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > > > You really need to read the court cases that came out of Florida.
> > Between
> > > > the Democrats illegally throwing out overseas ballots,
> > >
> > > Ah - there we have it.  You're nothing but a liar, repeating other
lies.
> >
> > From the Washington Post:
> >
> > "Count every vote" was the Gore mantra, and it had been a powerful
weapon
> in
> > the war for public opinion between the two campaigns. But Gore needed to
> > minimize the votes of thousands of predominantly Republican servicemen
> > serving overseas, and Mark Herron, a Democratic lawyer, had laid out in
> > detail the best way to disqualify any ballot that did not comply with
the
> > law. If no postmark, the memo said, then protest."
>
> >As I said, the Democrat were illegally throwing out legal overseas
ballots.
>
> Lie.  None of the ballots were thrown out.

Why would a judge order the inclusion of ballots that had NOT been thrown
out???

".....According, the Court HEREBY ORDERS that any state stature, regulation,
administrative rule, or procedure that rejects a federal write-in ballot,
which has been signed pursuant to the oath provided therein,

(A) solely because the ballot envelope does not have an APO, FPO, or foreign
postmark; or

(B) solely because the state has no record of a ballot request is a
violation of Federal Law; conflict with federal law.

It is further ORDERED that all federal write-in ballots rejected for the
above stated reasons are declared valid."

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/hills.pdf

I guess the Judge was bored so he made up this case.

> They should of been as they were clearly illegal, but they were counted
anyway (except if they were likely to
> be Dem votes).

Clearly illegal?? No, again, I posted the court cases that proved that those
ballots were not illegal. They were illegally thrown out.

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> More than 2,000 absentee ballots cast overseas, most from members of the
> armed forces and their families, arrived in Florida last November too late
> to be counted with votes cast on Election Day.

While they may not have arrived on Election Day, Florida Code allows ballots
to be counted as long as they are received up to 10 days after the election
has taken place.

From (Robert) Harris vs Florida Election Canvassing Commission

"This appeal is about counting overseas absentee ballots in a presidential
election and an attack on paragraph 7 of Rule 1S-2.013 of the Florida
Administrative Code. Plaintiff Appellants want us to nullify paragraph 7.
The pertinent part of the Rule reads this way:

"With respect to the presidential preference primary and the general
election, any absentee ballot cast for a federal office by an overseas
elector which is postmarked or signed and dated no later than the date of
the Federal election shall be counted if received no later than 10 days for
the date of the Federal election as long as such absentee ballot is
otherwise proper."

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/00-16423.pdf

> Scores arrived without
> postmarks as required, sparking a bitter dispute between the rival
> presidential camps over whether they should be included.

Here we go with the postmark issue again. Postmarks are not required under
both Florida and Federal Code.

See: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/hills.pdf
See: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/medinaorder.pdf
See: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/00-16423.pdf

> Bowing to demands from George W. Bush's campaign that military ballots
> should be counted no matter how they arrived, several Florida county
> canvassing boards tallied the overseas ballots regardless of whether they
> bore the requisite postmark.

The article is incorrect, postmarks are not required. See above.

> Since Bush carried the overseas vote by nearly
> 2 to 1, the disputed ballots may have added significantly to the
razor-thin
> margin of 537 votes by which he carried Florida and thus ensured his
> election.
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A3
> 5557-2001Jun22&notFound=true

> Of 2,490 absentee overseas ballots that counted toward Florida's vote
totals
> in last November's election, 680 were improper under state law because
they
> lacked witness signatures or postmarks, were postmarked after the Nov. 7
> election, were sent from somewhere in the United States or were from
voters
> who voted twice, the New York Times reported yesterday.

They are clearly wrong. The state law they are referring was superseded in
early 1980's.

* 344 ballots with no evidence that they were cast on or before Election
Day. They
* had late, illegible or missing postmarks.

The court found that both Florida Code and Federal Law do not require
postmarks.

see: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/00-16423.pdf

Quote from the suit: "This appeal is about counting overseas absentee
ballots in a presidential election and an attack on paragraph 7 of Rule
1S-2.013 of the Florida Administrative Code. Plaintiff Appellants want us to
nullify paragraph 7. The pertinent part of the Rule reads this way:

"With respect to the presidential preference primary and the general
election, any absentee ballot cast for a federal office by an overseas
elector which is postmarked or signed and dated no later than the date of
the Federal election shall be counted if received no later than 10 days for
the date of the Federal election as long as such absentee ballot is
otherwise proper."

Notice that the law says "postmarked OR signed and dated", but NOT both.

Also see: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/hills.pdf

From the suit: to disqualify a ballot "solely because the ballot envelope
does not have an APO, FPO, or foreign postmark;.......conflicts with Federal
Law."

* 183 ballots with U.S. postmarks.

From Bush vs. Hillsborough County Canvassing Board:

The court said, "Clearly, any state statue that requires a foreign postmark
on a federal write-in ballot conflicts with UOCAVA."

The UOCAVA stands for the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting
Act.

see: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/hills.pdf

* 96 ballots lacking the required signature or address of a witness.

Florida code and Federal law says postmarked OR signed and dated, but NOT
BOTH. The article does not say if these ballots were postmarked. Therefore,
no conclusion can be determined.

see: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/00-16423.pdf

Quote from the suit: "This appeal is about counting overseas absentee
ballots in a presidential election and an attack on paragraph 7 of Rule
S-2.013 of the Florida Administrative Code. Plaintiff Appellants want us to
nullify paragraph 7. The pertinent part of the Rule reads this way:

"With respect to the presidential preference primary and the general
election, any absentee ballot cast for a federal office by an overseas
elector which is postmarked or signed and dated no later than the date of
the Federal election shall be counted if received no later than 10 days for
the date of the Federal election as long as such absentee ballot is
otherwise proper."

Notice that the law says "postmarked OR signed and dated", but NOT both.

* 169 ballots from voters who were not registered, who failed to sign the
envelope
* or who had not requested a ballot. A request is required by federal law.

The author of this article is wrong. The court said just the opposite.

See: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/hills.pdf

Quote from the suit: "to disqualify ballots solely because the state has no
record of a ballot request is a violation of Federal Law."

* 19 voters cast two ballots, both of which were counted.

Illegal ballots

* Five ballots received after the Nov. 17 deadline.

Illegal ballots.

24 ballots was going to change the outcome of the election?

> In an exhaustive six-month review, the newspaper found that Republican
> operatives outhustled their Democratic opponents during a lengthy
> post-Election Day struggle over the overseas votes, and had many ballots
> from overseas military personnel counted that should not have counted
under
> Florida law.

The Florida Code in question has not been controlling since the early 1980s.
See above.

> "The effectiveness of the Republican effort is demonstrated by striking
> disparities in how different counties treated ballots with similar
defects,"
> the Times reported. In the 16 counties won by former vice president Al
Gore,
> only 2 out of every 10 ballots that had late, illegible or missing
postmarks
> were counted as valid votes, while in the 51 counties won by George W.
Bush,
> 6 in 10 of those questionable votes counted.

The courts found that those ballots were not questionable.

>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A1
> 225-2001Jul15&notFound=true
>
> >This is like shooting guppies in the barrel.
>
> Actually it's credibility you've shot in the head.

Yes, your credibility.