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"Baxter" <lbax01.spamguard@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark Cook" <mcook@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > "Russell Senior" <seniorr@aracnet.com> wrote in message
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> > > >>>>> "Brian" == WitchDr  <Witch--Dr@usa.nojunkmail.net.ru> writes:
> > >
> > > Brian> Here's a FACT
> > >
> > > Brian> George W. Bush is the President of the United States.
> > >
> > > I never disputed that.
> > >
> > > What I said was that Bush had a disregard for the legitimacy of
> > > democratic institutions (like elections).  Bush didn't care who had
> > > more _actual_ legally cast votes, only that he "win".  Well, by hook
> > > and by crook, he did "win".  I dislike him because he didn't care
> > > about the votes.
> >
> > IF Gore really cared about all of the votes, why did he try to cheat the
> > system, and only ask for recounts in a few heavily Democrat counties?
>
> He didn't try to cheat - the "system" told him he was only allowed to
> recount under certain conditions - those counties met those conditions.

They did not meet those conditions on two fronts. First Palm Beach County
illegally changed their counting standards. As Judge Sauls (Democrat) noted
in his decision in Gore vs. Harris:

"Having done so, Plaintiffs are estopped from further challenge of this
process and standards.  It should be noted, however, that such process and
standards were changed from the prior 1990 standards, perhaps contrary to
Title III, Section (5) of the United States code."

"Furthermore, with respect to the standards utilized by the Board in its
review and counting processes, the Court finds that the standard utilized
was in full compliance with the law and reviewed under another standard
would not be authorized, thus creating a two-tier situation within one
county, as well as with respect to other counties."

"The Court notes that the Attorney General of the State of Florida
enunciated his opinion of the law with respect to this, in a letter dated
November 14, 2000, to the Honorable Charles E. Burton, Chair of the Palm
Beach County Canvassing Board, which, in part. is as follows:  "A two-tier
system would have the effect of treating voters differently, depending upon
what county they voted in."

This theme was carried on by the three dissenting members of the FSC, and
seven members of the SCOTUS. In the 3 courts that this case was argued, 11
found problems with the change in they counting standards, while 6 (all
Democrats) found nothing wrong with changing the law after the election had
taken place.

Second, Sauls also noted that under Florida Code, Gore was required to
contest all ballots, statewide, not just 4 counties.

"As recently stated by Judge Klein with the concurrence of Chief Judge
Warner in the Fourth District Court of Appeal case, of Bedell v. Palm Beach
Canvassing Board, Section 102.168 provides in Subsection (1) that the
certification of elections may be contested for presidential elections.
Section 103.011 provides that, "The Department of State shall certify as
elected the presidential electors of the candidates for President and Vice
President who receive the highest number of votes."

"There is in this type of election, one statewide election, and one
certification. Palm Beach County did not elect any person as a presidential
elector, but, rather, the election with the winner-take-all proposition,
dependent on the statewide vote."

http://www.quarterly-report.com/election_2000/sauls_opinion.html

> > The fact is the court record shows just the opposite of what you have
> > posted. In the hearings before the Florida Supreme Count, it was the
Bush
> > campaign who said the ALL BALLOTS must be included in a recount.
>
> Baloney.  Bush was first to go to court to block any and all counts.

Since there was never a full recount ordered by any court, Bush only when to
court to block a partial recount of the state. Again, as Judge Sauls
(Democrat) noted, "Palm Beach County did not elect any person as a
presidential elector, but, rather, the election with the winner-take-all
proposition, dependent on the statewide vote."

If Gore really wanted all ballots to count, then he would have filed the
legal paperwork to get it done (a press conference does not qualify as a
legal filing). Instead, he tried to cheat the system by only trying to have
heavily Democrat counties recounted while ignoring the disputed ballots in
63 other counties.

Further, if you take the time to check Florida case law, Gore was NOT
entitled to a recount based on voter error.

"(f) Prior practice before this election, which was not to do a manual
recount because of the claim that a county's machines were failing to count
partially perforated or indented chads. See Transcript of Oral Arg. in Bush,
at 39-40 (concession of Florida Attorney General that no county had
previously done so). For example, in Broward County Canvassing Board v.
Hogan, 607 So.2d 508, 509 (Fla. 4th DCA 1992), the board recognized that
"voter error in piercing of computer ballot cards created loose or hanging
paper chads." But the board declined to do a manual recount even though two
machine counts indicated a margin of 3-5 votes. "Such voter errors, the
board explained, are caused by hesitant piercing, no piercing, or
intentional or unintentional multiple piercing of computer ballot cards,
creating what are referred to as overvotes and undervotes. The board
thereupon declined appellee's request for a recount".  Id. (emphasis added).
Thus, before this election, the fact that a request for a manual recount was
based on incompletely perforated chads was considered not just insufficient,
but an affirmative reason to reject a manual recount because the request was
based on voter error rather than on machine or ballot defects."

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/floridahouse.pdf

> <rest of neo-con revisionism snipped>

Let me get this straight, you snipped the transcript of Gore's attorney
saying that they did not contest all of the disputed ballots because you
consider that fact to be "neo-con revisionism". In other words, Boies
admitted that they did not want to recount all of the disputed ballots, and
you can't accept that fact. That is funny.