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"Bill" <billnech@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Harradan <> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:37:21 -0800, "rm -rf Linux"
> > <abuse@teranews.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Dude, get over it.
> > >
> > >"Captain kozmic" <captusa@kozmik.com> wrote in message
> > >news:captusa-3112030845350001@216-99-194-162.dial.spiritone.com...
> > >> In article <HIXGb.655647$HS4.4672725@attbi_s01>, "sinistersteve"
> > >> <sinistersteve@999111nospammeabi.moc> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > You're still losing sleep over an election that happened over 3
years
> >  ago? I
> > >> > think you need to seek some professional help.
> > >>
> > >> right on dood. who cares that the election was fixed. after all we
are
> > >> americans who claim to live in a demoncratic nation of fools and
dolts!
> > >
> > Dood, we don't live in a Democracy, we live in a Representative
> > Republic. Get to know your government. That means we elect people to
> > speak for us. As for the election, if you noticed the map, most of the
> > nation voted for Bush, it was only the very densly populated Liberal
> > east and west coast cities that voted for Bore. Bush carried the
> > heartland, And he carried Florida no matter how you count the votes.
> > It was Bore and Daily who tried to steal the election in FLA by
> > getting the Democrat State Supreme Court to change the election rules
> > illegally I might add, while people were still voting. I know
> > republicans in Florida who were told their votes didn't count because
> > they voted before the court tried to legislate from the bench. Thank
> > God for the U'S. Supreme Court. We almost had Bore for president. What
> > a disaster that would have been.
> > Daily learned four legged voting from his old man, who learned it from
> > Capone. They were active in many states. It is known that many dead
> > people in Illinois voted for Bore.
>
>
> I object to the allegation that because I live in a densely populated
> state, my vote means less than someone in those wide open spaces.  (Of
> course the electoral college makes that a fact, but that's another
> issue).  This is like those maps of how counties voted which showed
> that where no one lives, Bush won.  Gore still got a half million more
> votes.  And those half million people are all American citizens just
> like the Bush voters.
>
> Of course 50,000 American citizens in Florida never had the
> opportunity to vote because they were improperly removed from the
> voting roles.

You are slightly confused. The "potential felon" list contained some 57,000
names, but Palast found that that not all counties used the list. His
*estimate* is that 7,000 may have been ACTUALLY removed. The Palm Beach Post
found that his estimate did not hold up.

"If that ratio held statewide, no fewer than 7,000 voters were incorrectly
targeted for removal from voting rosters."

And

"In the 10 counties contacted by Salon, use of the central voter file seemed
to vary wildly. Some found the list too unreliable and didn't use it at all.
But most counties appear to have used the file as a resource to purge names
from their voter rolls, with some counties making little -- or no -- effort
at all to alert the "purged" voters. Counties that did their best to vet the
file discovered a high level of errors, with as many as 15 percent of names
incorrectly identified as felons."

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/print.html

The Palm Beach Post ran an article about the felon list. While Palast
checked 10 counties, the Post checked all 67 counties. They could only find
1,104 voters who were wrongfully purged.

"At least 108 law-abiding people were purged from the voter rolls as
suspected criminals, only to be cleared after the election. DBT's computers
had matched these people with felons, though in dozens of cases they did not
share the same name, birthdate, gender or race. One Naples man was told he
couldn't vote because he was linked with a felon still serving time in a
Moore Haven prison."

"Florida officials cut from the rolls 996 people convicted of crimes in
other states, though they should have been allowed to vote. Before the
election, state officials said felons could vote only if they had written
clemency orders, although most other states automatically restore voting
rights to felons when they complete their sentences. This policy conflicted
with a 1998 court ruling that said Florida had "no authority" to deny civil
rights to those who had them restored in other states. After the election,
the state changed its policy."

Source: The Palm Beach Post, Felon Purge Sacrificed Innocent Voters,
5/27/2001

See: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0527-03.htm

Since Gore netted 2,000 illegal votes, the felon list did not change the
outcome of the election. The actual voter fraud was not the felon scrub
list, but the fact that thousand of felons illegally voted. The Palm Beach
Post found 5,643 felons illegally cast ballots. The registrations came down
68% Democrat. Do the math and you will see that Gore benefited from these
illegal votes by a net of some 2,000 votes. This number clearly defeats the
claim of 1,104 by the Palm Beach Post.

Source: The Palm Beach Post, Thousands of Felons Voted Despite Purge,
5/28/2001

This was the original link,
http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_1.html

Here is another.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Al-Gore-2004-Community/message/11378?source=1

> Had there been a fair statewide recount in Florida, rather than the
> attention only to Democratic leaning counties, Gore would have won.
> Press accounts have verified that.

I am not sure where you got this. The press did not conduct a full recount
of disputed ballots. According to the Palm Beach Post, who was one of the
media outlets involved with the NORC, they were not able to recount all of
the disputed ballots.

"The precinct reports from the counties to the state showed that those
ballots should add up to be 176,446 ballots."

"But NORC's county-by-county inspection of those so-called under-vote and
over-vote ballots turned up only 175,010. Somehow, the counties failed to
provide more than 1,400 of the spoiled ballots statewide."

In fact the NORC instead of trying to count, they ended up using the
county's own totals.

"Volusia County election officials, after competing a hand count that
produced the county's certified results, commingled the ballots they counted
as votes with the ballots they had decided were over-votes or under-votes.
When asked to re-segregate both the under-votes and over-votes for media
review, they should have produced 346 ballots."

"But they delivered 510 ballots - 147 percent more than election officials
certified to the state-for review by NORC."

"In the end, the consortium found recounting Volusia's vote unreliable, so
the county's certified election results are used instead in all the
scenarios of the study."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/neverknow.html

> Having said that, had Gore run a better campaign, he would
> have run.  Hell, had he avoided rolling his eyes in the debate,
> he would have won.