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Article #930Re: It's all about gasoline!
From: Duke Kahanamoku
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:04
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:04
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On Jun 8, 10:57 pm, Larry in AZ <usen...@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote: > Waiving the right to remain silent, Duke Kahanamoku <clipper.sm...@gmail.com> > said: > > > Socialism is an economic system wherein each enterprise is wholly > > owned by its employees, ie there are no absentee owners of a socialist > > enterpris, and, all employees of a socialist enterprise participate in > > the profits of their enterprise in a meaningful way. > > Which has yet to happen. "Socialized enterprise" usually results in > everything being reduced to the lowest common denominator, and everyone doing > barely what's necessary to collect a paycheck. You are mixing two ideas again. I didn't say "socialized enterprise." I said "socialist enterprise." These two are different. A socialized enterprise is like a universal health care system that is subsidized by public taxes. But you are wrong about what happens to them. There are several such socialized health care systems in operation in nations around the globe, and they are doing well. You won't find many people in Australia or Norway, for examples, who want to dismantle those health care systems. > As some of the former Communists in the USSR were fond of saying, "We pretend > to work, and the government pretends to pay us." That wasn't socialism. It wasn't even state socialism. It was totalitarianism. Socialism requires democracy.
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