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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:41:22 -0700, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
wrote:

>
>Oregon State Representative Jeff Kropf (R-Sublimity), wants to take his
>free-market principles right into the Oregon Legislature.  Kropf
>suggested lawmakers be paid "based on free-market, results-oriented
>principles."  According to Kropf, "Some who serve in the Legislature
>should pay for the privilege based on their weak performance, rather
>than get paid." Although "it would be complicated to develop the metrics
>to measure performance", Kropf says he expects opposition to his plan
>only "from those who are lazy."

Another twit idea going nowhere.

It will founder on the Who Decides principle.  The answer will
inevitably be No One.

Better idea is to pay legislators better, so as to attract a higher
quality of legislator.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:04:32 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Better idea is to pay legislators better,

Forget it, you're unelectable anyway.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:20:08 -0600, ef_hutterite
<efhutterite@montanan.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:04:32 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Better idea is to pay legislators better,
>
>Forget it, you're unelectable anyway.

Since I'm not running for the legislature, it's a moot question.
BTDT, and don't intend to do it again.

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>should pay for the privilege based on their weak performance, rather
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Don Homuth wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:41:22 -0700, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
> wrote:
> 
>> Oregon State Representative Jeff Kropf (R-Sublimity), wants to take his
>> free-market principles right into the Oregon Legislature.  Kropf
>> suggested lawmakers be paid "based on free-market, results-oriented
>> principles."  According to Kropf, "Some who serve in the Legislature
>> should pay for the privilege based on their weak performance, rather
>> than get paid." Although "it would be complicated to develop the metrics
>> to measure performance", Kropf says he expects opposition to his plan
>> only "from those who are lazy."
> 
> Another twit idea going nowhere.
> 
> It will founder on the Who Decides principle.  The answer will
> inevitably be No One.
> 
> Better idea is to pay legislators better, so as to attract a higher
> quality of legislator.

this one is right up there with banning gay marriage.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:30:33 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:20:08 -0600, ef_hutterite
><efhutterite@montanan.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:04:32 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Better idea is to pay legislators better,
>>
>>Forget it, you're unelectable anyway.
>
>Since I'm not running

Wise move.

Paul J. Berg wrote:

> Oregon State Representative Jeff Kropf (R-Sublimity), wants to take his
> free-market principles right into the Oregon Legislature.  Kropf
> suggested lawmakers be paid "based on free-market, results-oriented
> principles."  According to Kropf, "Some who serve in the Legislature
> should pay for the privilege based on their weak performance, rather
> than get paid." Although "it would be complicated to develop the metrics
> to measure performance", Kropf says he expects opposition to his plan
> only "from those who are lazy."

Sheesh!  Always thought Kropf was something of a whacko and now he's 
demonstrated it.

The metrics have already been developed and are firmly in place. They're 
called "elections".

Iffen the voters don't think you've earned your pay, they've got an easy 
and effective remedy.

If Jeff Kropf doesn't think you've earned your pay, he and his "metrics" 
can go butt out.

Peace and justice,

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:41:22 -0700, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
wrote:

>
>Oregon State Representative Jeff Kropf (R-Sublimity), wants to take his
>free-market principles right into the Oregon Legislature.  Kropf
>suggested lawmakers be paid "based on free-market, results-oriented
>principles." ...

And having mde that statement, has abanoned his campaign and removed
himself from further consideration as a candidate.

http://statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060727/STATE/607270347

Don Homuth wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:41:22 -0700, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Oregon State Representative Jeff Kropf (R-Sublimity), wants to take his
> >free-market principles right into the Oregon Legislature.  Kropf
> >suggested lawmakers be paid "based on free-market, results-oriented
> >principles." ...
>
> And having mde that statement, has abanoned his campaign and removed
> himself from further consideration as a candidate.
>
> http://statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060727/STATE/607270347


It wasn't his nutty statement that made Oregon State Representative
Jeff Kropf withdraw from the race. It you go to the link that Don
Homuth posted, you would have found the following news article.

----------------------------------------------

>From Statesman-Journal (Salem, Oregon) ~ July 27, 2006

Oregon State Representative Jeff Kropf a part-time talk-radio host on
KXL-AM, withdrew his candidacy for re-election Wednesday.

He said a new legal interpretation of federal "equal-time" rules for
political candidates on radio and television put KXL at financial risk.


"I'm not really happy about the choice I've been forced into," said
Kropf, who had been seeking his fifth term in the House of
Representatives. "I have to think about my future, and it isn't in
politics, and it's likely to be in radio."

Oregon Republican Party leaders have until Aug. 29 to name a
replacement to appear on the general-election ballot for House District
17. The district covers Sublimity, Stayton, Detroit, Gates, Idanha,
Lyons, Mill City, Lebanon, Scio and Sweet Home.

The GOP nominee will face Democrat Dan Thackaberry, a Lebanon farmer
and city council member, in the fall election.

Kropf and KXL had been operating under the assumption that the station
was obligated to provide equal time on the air for 60 days before the
general election or during 25 days before a contested primary.

But an attorney for the Oregon Association of Broadcasters recently
advised the station that equal time must be afforded from the time that
a rival candidate filed for office, Kropf said.

That meant KXL might have to provide extensive air time for Thackaberry
or a monetary sum equal to the advertising value of that air time,
Kropf said. He estimated that could approach $100,000.

Among registered voters in the district, 43 percent are Republicans and
34 percent are Democrats.
Thackaberry could not be reached for comment.

__________________________________

Now, the Republican Party insiders are going to choose the party's
candidate for the general election, NOT the voters.

If you had a non-partisan system of electing office holders, and a
candidate withdrew between the primary and general election, they would
be replaced on the general election ballot by the third highest vote
getting candidate from the primary election.

On 27 Jul 2006 11:01:54 -0700, "Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net>
wrote:

>
>
>Don Homuth wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:41:22 -0700, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Oregon State Representative Jeff Kropf (R-Sublimity), wants to take his
>> >free-market principles right into the Oregon Legislature.  Kropf
>> >suggested lawmakers be paid "based on free-market, results-oriented
>> >principles." ...
>>
>> And having mde that statement, has abanoned his campaign and removed
>> himself from further consideration as a candidate.
>>
>> http://statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060727/STATE/607270347
>
>
>It wasn't his nutty statement that made Oregon State Representative
>Jeff Kropf withdraw from the race....

Nobody said it was.

>Now, the Republican Party insiders are going to choose the party's
>candidate for the general election, NOT the voters.

Since it's too late to have another primary, that's the usual way it's
done.

>If you had a non-partisan system of electing office holders, and a
>candidate withdrew between the primary and general election, they would
>be replaced on the general election ballot by the third highest vote
>getting candidate from the primary election.

In a No Party system, one could do it any way one chooses.  One could,
for example, hold a districtwide convention, and pick a candidate that
way by whomever showed up.

But since this actually Is a partisan position at the moment, that's
the way we choose to do things.

Don Homuth wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:41:22 -0700, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Oregon State Representative Jeff Kropf (R-Sublimity), wants to take his
> >free-market principles right into the Oregon Legislature.  Kropf
> >suggested lawmakers be paid "based on free-market, results-oriented
> >principles."  According to Kropf, "Some who serve in the Legislature
> >should pay for the privilege based on their weak performance, rather
> >than get paid." Although "it would be complicated to develop the metrics
> >to measure performance", Kropf says he expects opposition to his plan
> >only "from those who are lazy."
>
> Another twit idea going nowhere.
>
> It will founder on the Who Decides principle.  The answer will
> inevitably be No One.
>
> Better idea is to pay legislators better, so as to attract a higher
> quality of legislator.

Why do you think it would attract a higher quality of legislature?  Do
States which pay their legislators better get better performances?

Would the pay raise apply to existing legislatures or only newly
elected ones?

On 27 Jul 2006 13:16:28 -0700, "lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>
>Don Homuth wrote:

>> Better idea is to pay legislators better, so as to attract a higher
>> quality of legislator.
>
>Why do you think it would attract a higher quality of legislature?

Because there are some otherwise well-motivated folks who might run,
were the pay sufficient to handle their family obligations.

> Do States which pay their legislators better get better performances?

There was a study done a decade or so ago that suggested precisely
that.  Sorry -- it was in one of the PoliSci journals, and I no longer
have my collection.

>Would the pay raise apply to existing legislatures or only newly
>elected ones?

Do try to get the terminology correct:

Legislator -- the individuals elected

Legislature -- the body in which legislators serve

That would depend entirely on the specific statutory or constitutional
provision governing such things.  As a general rule, it applies only
for those elected After the pay raise is approved in state
legislatures.

Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:41:22 -0700, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
> wrote:
> 
>>
>>Oregon State Representative Jeff Kropf (R-Sublimity), wants to take
>>his free-market principles right into the Oregon Legislature.  Kropf
>>suggested lawmakers be paid "based on free-market, results-oriented
>>principles." ...
> 
> And having mde that statement, has abanoned his campaign and removed
> himself from further consideration as a candidate.

Have to admire a man who knows his limits. :o)

> 
> http://statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060727/STATE/6
> 07270347