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Top 10 Conservative Idiots: Top Ten Debate Moments
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Top 10 Conservative Idiots: Top Ten Debate Moments
(No. 173)
October 4, 2004
Top Ten Debate Moments Edition
We have a huge list this week which focuses almost entirely
on last week's presidential debate. While expectations were high for
both candidates, nobody quite expected the exquisite thrashing John
Kerry gave George W. Bush for ninety long minutes, and while
post-debate spinners tried their hardest to put lipstick on Bush's pig
of a performance it was quite clear who came out on top. Many of the
links this week are audio clips, so turn your speakers on (or turn
them down if you're at work!), sit back, and enjoy. If you want to
test your system to make sure the audio is working, click this link
first. Also, if you want to watch the debate video or read the
transcript, you can find them both on the C-SPAN website. No key this
week, just enjoy!
1 President Kerry vs. Baby Bush
The two candidates hadn't even gotten a word out before John Kerry
stamped his mark of authority on the debate. After moderator Jim
Lehrer's introduction, Bush bounded across the stage in an attempt to
"win the stride" - that is, to get into his opponent's space and
intimidate him, as Ronald Reagan did so effectively to Jimmy Carter in
1980.
Unfortunately it backfired when tiny Bush ran smack into man-mountain
John Kerry, who pulled Bush in close to contrast the height difference
between them. Kerry leaned down to whisper in Bush's ear, leading to
the first great moment of the debate - Bush literally having to tear
his hand out of Kerry's grip before retreating all the way back across
the stage to his podium.
Hilarity ensued as TV cameras put up a split-screen of the two
candidates, artificially raising the height of Bush's podium so their
heads were level. And while Kerry looked like he was standing behind a
podium, Bush unfortunately looked like he was sitting in a highchair.
2 Mexed Missages
It honestly appeared that George W. Bush's only preparation for the
debate was to repeat the phrase "mixed signals" and "mixed messages"
over and over again in front of a mirror. Funny thing is, when it came
to the crunch he even fucked that up, at one point accusing Kerry of
sending "mexed missages."
The purpose of all this, was, of course, to paint Kerry as indecisive.
See, according to Bush, you can't be a strong leader if for one second
you stop to consider your options. Staying the course is always
preferable to discussing alternatives, even if that course is leading
you towards the edge of a very tall cliff.
In fact, it's absolutely preferable to drive off that cliff - as long
as you're resolute and steadfast while you're doing it. Unfortunately
this gambit failed dismally as Kerry came across far steadier and
stronger during the debate than Bush, who looked wobbly, defensive,
and weak. Oh well.
3 Mexed Missages, Part Two
But let nobody ever accuse Bush of being inflexible! See, while Kerry
maintained strong and consistent positions throughout the debate, Bush
appeared to be making up new policies as he went along.
First, he took on Kerry's suggestion that it would probably help the
United States if the rest of the world thought we were credible. While
rambling on about the International Criminal Court - which he actually
appeared to be quite frightened of - Bush said, "I just think trying
to be popular, kind of, in the global sense, if it's not in our best
interest makes no sense."
This, of course, was after Bush had spent a good portion of time
boasting about the "alliances" that he had put together with the
United Kingdom, Australia, and, uh, that's it. Oh - Poland. I almost
forgot about Poland. So which is it, Mr. President? Making sure we
have strong alliances by ensuring that we remain credible in the eyes
of the world? Or making sure we have strong alliances by not giving a
damn about our credibility? Make your mind up.
But that wasn't all - Bush also insisted that Iraqi president Ayad
Allawi "doesn't want U.S. leadership ... to send mixed signals, to not
stand with the Iraqi people." But then, after yet another verbal
thrashing from Kerry about the perils of blind certainty, Bush changed
his mind. In fact, you might say he... flip-flopped. "I fully agree
that one should shift tactics, and we will, in Iraq." He said. Oh, we
will? Gee, don't tell Ayad Allawi. He doesn't want U.S. Leadership to
send mixed signals.
4 Excuses, Excuses, Excuses
The debate gave Bush a splendid opportunity to come up with yet
another new excuse for why the war in Iraq is not exactly a success.
And it's a good one! See, apparently we achieved victory too quickly.
"Because we achieved such a rapid victory, more of the Saddam
loyalists were around," said Our Great Leader. "In other words, we
thought we'd whip more of them going in. But because Tommy Franks did
such a great job in planning the operations, we moved rapidly. And a
lot of the Ba'athists and Saddam loyalists laid down their arms and
disappeared. I thought we would - they would stay and fight. But they
didn't. And now we're fighting them now."
Now we're fighting them now, indeed. Mind you, it's odd that Bush
thought they would stay and fight, considering that just last week CNN
reported that "Two classified reports prepared for President Bush two
months before the Iraq invasion warned the war could prompt an
insurgency in which rogue elements from Saddam Hussein's government
would work with existing terrorist groups, sources said."
Want more? "The January 2003 reports from the National Intelligence
Council (NIC) said an invasion would increase support for hard-line
politicized Islam and result in a divided Iraqi society prone to
violent conflict, the sources said Tuesday."
Don't blame Bush though. It's not his fault if he didn't read those
reports.
5 A New Leash on Life
"I appreciate enormously the personal comments the president just
made," said John Kerry after Bush grudgingly praised his character,
"And I share them with him. I think only if you're doing this - and
he's done it more than I have in terms of the presidency - can you
begin to get a sense of what it means to your families. And it's
tough. And so I acknowledge that his daughters - I've watched them.
I've chuckled a few times at some of their comments. And..."
Suddenly Bush interrupted, "I'm trying to put a leash on them."
6 Crusaderiffic
One of Bush's very last lines of the night was also one of his most
interesting: "We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley
below, and it's a valley of peace." The simplest explanation for
Bush's sudden eloquence can probably be boiled down to: "Hey world,
you listening? We're up here, you're down there. Suck on it."
But that doesn't sound quite right. A possible suggestion is that Bush
was referring to Martin Luther King's "mountaintop" speech, where Dr.
King said, "I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up
to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the promised
land." But let's face it, the chances of Bush deliberately
paraphrasing the nation's greatest civil rights leader are slimmer
than a supermodel on a hunger strike.
No, the best guess may be that the mighty mountain Bush was talking
about is the Biblical mountain God took Moses up, just before Moses
picked Joshua to lead the Israelites into the promised land.
Incidentally, Joshua was a military leader who kicked a whole lot of
nonbeliever ass, and the book of Joshua is widely cited as a
justification for the Crusades. Oh yes, you know the fundies liked
that one!
7 Bringing Them To Justice
In his very first rebuttal, Bush bragged that "the A.Q Khan network
has been brought to justice." For those of you not familiar with A.Q
Khan, he's a Pakistani nuclear physicist who back in February of this
year admitted to exporting nuclear secrets to Iran, North Korea, and
Libya.
Want to know how the Bush administration brought Khan to justice?
Well, after owning up to his crimes, he was pardoned by President
Musharraf. A month later, during a visit to Islamabad, Colin Powell
designated Pakistan a major non-NATO ally - which allows them to
purchase a wide array of U.S. weaponry - and refused to criticize
Musharraf for letting Khan off the hook.
Why? According to the New Republic (or see Idiots 163), because the
Bush administration was at the time putting heavy pressure on Pakistan
to capture or kill "High Value Targets" - Al Qaeda leaders - before
the election. Specifically, "it would be best if the arrest or killing
of [any] HVT were announced on twenty-six, twenty-seven, or
twenty-eight July."
Those dates, of course, happily coincided with the Democratic National
Convention.
So now you know how the Bush administration brought A.Q. Khan to
justice - by letting him go free so that the Pakistani government
would announce terrorist captures on dates which were politically
convenient for George W. Bush.
Fortunately, even the Bush administration couldn't be this brazen, and
the plan never came to fruition. Well, unless you count Pakistan's
subsequent capture of a top Al Qaeda terrorist, which just happened to
be announced the day of John Kerry's acceptance speech at the
Convention. But that was probably just a coincidence.
8 The Seven Faces of Bush
Those who watched Bush vs. Kerry on C-SPAN were able to enjoy non-stop
split-screen action for the duration of the debate. This gave viewers
an opportunity to concentrate on the body language of each candidate
while the other was speaking.
While most casual viewers thought that Bush appeared to go from
annoyance to chagrin to peevishness and back to annoyance, experts
have agreed that Bush's facial expressions actually passed through
seven distinct, recognizable changes during the course of the debate.
9 Not This Time, Bucko
Of course, the biggest news of the night came when George W. Bush
acknowledged that - hold on to your hats - he knows who attacked
America on 9/11! Of course, he needed a bit of prompting from Senator
Kerry, but there you go.
Ever since 9/11 the Bush administration has done all it can to confuse
the war on terror with the war in Iraq, and Osama bin Laden with
Saddam Hussein. This might have worked on the lazy mainstream media,
who happily drilled it into the minds of the American people for two
years, but it wasn't going to work on John Kerry.
When Jim Lehrer asked Bush about more preemptive military actions,
Bush waffled about Iraq and then foolishly threw in his favorite piece
of campaign spin: "I understand how hard it is to commit troops. Never
wanted to commit troops. When I was running - when we had the debate
in 2000, never dreamt I'd be doing that. But the enemy attacked us,
Jim, and I have a solemn duty to protect the American people."
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
"Jim, the president just said something extraordinarily revealing and
frankly very important in this debate," responded Kerry. "In answer to
your question about Iraq and sending people into Iraq, he just said,
'The enemy attacked us.' Saddam Hussein didn't attack us. Osama bin
Laden attacked us. Al Qaida attacked us. And when we had Osama bin
Laden cornered in the mountains of Tora Bora, 1,000 of his cohorts
with him in those mountains. With the American military forces nearby
and in the field, we didn't use the best trained troops in the world
to go kill the world's number one criminal and terrorist."
Well, you could have used Bush to clandestinely open an envelope, he
was steaming so much. And when Kerry was done, Bush barged in for a 30
second rebuttal - his mouth running way, way ahead of his brain. "Of
course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us," he fumed. Then, realizing
how ridiculous he sounded, he trailed off with a lame, "I know that."
I almost felt sorry for the poor guy. It can't be a nice feeling,
having your ass handed to you in front of 60 million people.
10 Work Hard With A Vengeance
If there's one thing we found out last Thursday, it's that the
presidency is hard work. So much hard work, in fact, that Bush used
the phrase eleven times during the debate. I guess this must be why
Bush spent 42% of his first eight months in office on vacation - I
mean, he was even on vacation when he got that Presidential Daily
Briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in United States."
But, you know, Dubya was clearing brush that day, and clearing brush
is, well, hard work.
It's odd, but from his statements during the debate it almost sounded
like being president is simply too much of a pain in the ass for
George W. Bush. Turning Iraq from a tyranny to a democracy is "hard
work." Training Iraqi troops is "hard work." Having the FBI director
come in his office and talk about security every morning is "hard
work." Climbing the mighty mountain and seeing the valley below is
"hard work." Trying to love Missy Johnson as best as he can is "hard
work."
We get it already! Being president is hard work! You don't have to
keep whining on and on about it! It comes with the territory! Didn't
you realize that it was going to be hard work before you applied for
the job the first time? What, do you want us to feel sorry for you?
Suck it up!
The Best of the Rest
George W. Bush obviously wasn't the only Conservative Idiot of the
week. Colin Powell was sending mixed messages; Pennsylvania
Republicans were lying their asses off; Team Bush has outsourced its
voter file database; and Jerry Falwell says that evangelical
Christians now control the Republican party. Hang on, that's not
idiocy - he's right.
Meanwhile, Ken Blackwell, Ohio's secretary of state, has been trying
to suppress voter registration; Arnold Schwarzenegger (despite being a
smoker himself) has banned smoking in California's prisons on health
grounds (oh well, there's always heroin); Jim Bunning lied about his
endorsements, and CNN and the Miami Herald allowed Republicans to pose
as "undecided voters" during their post-debate coverage.
Elsewhere, Fox News had to pull TWO stories from their website when
they were discovered to be fake - one story was about a website called
"Communists for Kerry" which is run by Republicans (Fox reported as if
it were a real organization), and the other was a spoof article by
Fox's own Carl Cameron, who simply invented a bunch of Kerry quotes.
Not that anyone cares about holding Fox News accountable.
While I'm on the subject, anyone in the media who called the debate a
draw can kiss my ass - I mean, come on. These reports of a "draw" were
frequently sitting right next to voter polls which favored Kerry
80%-20% over Bush.
And finally, (yes, finally!) let's end with some sex. Antonin Scalia
announced last week that "sexual orgies eliminate social tensions and
ought to be encouraged." So that's what he was doing in that duck
blind with Dick Cheney! See you next week!
Linked cites verifying the aforementioned idiots can be found at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/index.html
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"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13
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"I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really
don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
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Re: Top 10 Conservative Idiots: Top Ten Debate Moments
Author: futureworlds
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:36
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On 4 Oct 2004, jobgoblin@yahoo.com (Job Goblin) wrote: > Unfortunately it backfired when tiny Bush ran smack into man-mountain > John Kerry, who pulled Bush in close to contrast the height difference > between them. Kerry leaned down to whisper in Bush's ear, leading to Why does this sound like it's written by some gay guy on his knees with a load of Kerry spunk smeared all over his face? I mean seriously think about it - "man-mountain", "pulled closer", "whispered in his ear". "Job Goblin" ?? Spooky.
Re: Top 10 Conservative Idiots: Top Ten Debate Moments
Author: Graham Payne
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:36
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:36
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For someone who (obviously) feels great disdane for homosexuality, you seem to express yourself through it primarily. I wonder what that says about you? Eh, I don't care that much. "futureworlds" <nobody@mail.futureworlds.it> wrote in message news:c011b1c30fd1c25b53b1ab333f67b9d7@mail.futureworlds.it... > On Mon, 04 Oct 2004, "Grand Pain" <gpayne@NeOlSiP.nAeMt> wrote: > > >I don't share your fantasies > > You must share "Knob Gobbler's" fantasies then. > > The "Grand Pain" thing gives it away. > > > > >Do you need a napkin? > > Do you need a shower? > > Some hemorrhoid creme? > > > > > > >.-=gp=-. > > > >"futureworlds" <nobody@mail.futureworlds.it> wrote in message > >news:2c377228f38e399daeaa9ce12eedc42d@mail.futureworlds.it... > >> On 4 Oct 2004, jobgoblin@yahoo.com (Job Goblin) wrote: > >> > >> > Unfortunately it backfired when tiny Bush ran smack into man-mountain > >> > John Kerry, who pulled Bush in close to contrast the height difference > >> > between them. Kerry leaned down to whisper in Bush's ear, leading to > >> > >> Why does this sound like it's written by some gay guy on his knees with a > >> load of Kerry spunk smeared all over his face? > >> > >> I mean seriously think about it - "man-mountain", "pulled closer", > >> "whispered in his ear". > >> > >> "Job Goblin" ?? > >> > >> Spooky. > >> > > > > > > > > > >
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