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On Mon, 9 Dec 1996 05:09:58 GMT, stever@cygnus.ieu.comtra.org wrote:

>javagrrl@aracnet.com (Dawn Taylor) tries to shut John Cooley up:

Hey, nice intro there, stever! Dawn tries to shut up John! OK, I guess we
know where YOUR bias is, don't we?

Now, on to your regularly scheduled reply....

>> John...or should I say "Mr. Cooley", since we don't know each other?
>>
>> Could you please stop posting your propaganda to 11 different newsgroups?
>> Besides just being appalling netiquette, it's pointless. If you really feel
>> you need to stir up more anti-woman sentiment amongst the men at
>> alt.support.divorce, alt.mens.rights, etc., then target them.
>
>Given the quality of hatred that "javagrrl" posts, I say that's a good
>reason to *keep* posting! You go, man!

The "quality of hatred"? Gee, if javagrrl says "quit crossposting to groups
that aren't interested in listening", that's hatred? Is it still hatred if
numerous people from pdx.singles (with a few vociferous exceptions, granted)
have posted and e-mailed people saying "stop the frigging crossposts, we
don't wanna read it and if we do we'll go to alt.divorce.angst and read this
crap! You're getting in our way" ???

(I'm tempted to say that your reference to javagrrl's "hatred" is in re a
completely different thread - Stever, aren't you the guy who said (regarding
your supposedly "frigid" ex) "...after pumping away for about an hour (being
a considerate lover)..." and she pointed out that that had nothing to DO with
being good in bed?)

(I'm tempted to say that.... but I won't. I'm now done being polite tonight.)

We here in pdx.singles have been subjected to the most amazing crossposted
flame war we've seen in years over the last 3 months. There have been weeks
on end where the only posts are crossposts from a thousand miles away. The
regulars here have quit talking because the signal to noise ratio has gotten
too low. Lurkers have said that they won't "come out of the closet" because
of the bitter arguments and flamewars going on here. We have emailed the
people involved, and we have posted our wishes to everyone, and it's been
ignored.

(What's the biggest topic of conversation in pdx.singles today? "How do I
kill file these assholes???" How un-romantic!)

I'm through being polite. GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!  Get out and leave us
the fuck alone!!!!!!! We don't want you in pdx.singles!!! Bite me, eat me,
kiss my ass, suck my dick, fuck you and the horse you butt-fucked to get
here. Is that plain enough? REMOVE PDX.SINGLES FROM YOUR GOD DAMNED REPLIES
AND ORIGINAL POSTS!!!!!! WE DON'T FUCKING WANT TO READ IT!!!!!

In case I wasn't clear, allow me to repeat myself:

GET THE FUCK OUT AND STAY THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

Has anyone besides me noticed that the first "1st wives club" post we saw
here in pdx.singles was a reply by John Cooley? This whole fucking flamewar
was confined to somewhere else until John saw fit to include us in it. Since
then, we've been bombarded with the various follow ups, along with 15 or 20
other poor, undeserving newsgroups. FUCK THIS SHIT!!!!!

John, you've been here before, I've seen you in pdx.singles being reasonably
rational and humorous. Which is how we here in FUCKING PORTLAND, OREGON like
it!!! I'm not all that interested in how fathers are treated THREE THOUSAND
FUCKING MILES AWAY in Massachusetts, under some seriously bullshit laws that
I really do sympathize with but have NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH OREGON!
(Sorry for the obscenities, but I _said_ I was thru being polite!) 

Y'know John, I don't mind you hanging out here, no one does really. We're an
unusual singles group in that we're not a meat market and we tend to make
friends with all these folk in real life as well as online. Everyone's
welcome as long as they try to be reasonably accommodating to everyone else.
And it's not like we don't have our own flame wars. Unlike what appears to
happen everywhere else, we get hurt when we flame, because we know who we're
talking to. You can't join us in that aspect, you're too far away. And yet
you've engendered the biggest FUCKING flamewar we've had in a year. Sonny
from Atlanta hasn't done that. Michael from Dallas didn't do that. We're not
averse to "foreigners" joining in, we welcome them! As we do the locals. 

But frankly, you're on the verge of wearing out your welcome. I don't agree
with all that you say, but who does? What I'm having trouble with is that you
have created (perhaps unwittingly, but you seem to have no interest in
stopping it) the most annoying flamewar we've seen in some time. Lurkers here
in Portland are saying via private e-mail that "I don't want to enter here,
it's too damn nasty". Well, here in Portland, we _want_ lurkers!!!! We want
everyone to join in! We get together regularly in real life and lurkers show
up at the get-togethers who are too shy to post (no, I have no idea how face
to face is less intimidating than posting, it's just the way it is!).

And all this crossposted crap and flamewar is keeping us from doing what we
want to do - which is meet people around here, make friends, occasionally
develop relationships, but most of all: HAVE A GOOD TIME!! When I want to
bitch about women I'll go to alt.women.suck and do it. When women want to
bitch about me, they'll go to alt.men.bite and do it. 

But frankly, NOBODY in the singles groups wants to read this shit. Why?
Because we LIKE the opposite sex and are trying to attract them and meet
them! THAT'S WHAT THE SINGLES GROUPS ARE ABOUT!! We don't want to read about
your failures here, we've all had our own and we're trying to make a fresh
start with good attitudes. None of us have any great interest in reading how
"men suck" or "women suck" or whatever the fuck you're saying.

So go bother someone else. This has been a long post, let me reiterate the
primary message:

REMOVE PDX.SINGLES FROM YOUR GODDAM REPLIES AND ORIGNAL POSTS!

Oh, yeah. I forgot. Sorry. I digress sometimes. I was originally replying to
good ol' stever. 

Uhh, stever? Someone disagreeing with you is not hatred. Just so you'll know,
for future reference, _this_ is hatred:

BLOW ME, YOU DICKLESS WONDER!!!  (At least, unlike that frigid bitch liar of
a wife you had, you'll know if _I_ get off or not! You can be sure _I_ won't
lie to you!!!)

There, see the difference? It's kinda obvious.

Zoltan Who's Tired Of Crossposted Assholes

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