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Re: Link to pollution and early death

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From: mcs
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:06
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"Werner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message 
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> mcs wrote:
>> ...> >
>> Wait a second the reason I posted is because sometimes common sense and
>> practical questions are not asked by media.
>
> I often wonder why so little attention is paid to obvious discrepancies
> between the hype and reality.
> Examples:
>
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/CleanEnvironmentMoney.shtml
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/PorkNotFish.shtml
>
> and You keep asking the same questions
The answers lie in the fact that people need jobs and so sometimes the point 
is not to do the work properly or fix the squeaky door, the point is to get 
someone to pretend to fix things by hiring them and sometimes the point is 
not to fix things.
Drugs abuse, prevention pollution and crime and even war, and stock market 
is set up this way for people to have jobs,  Not to really make the world 
better.Seriously you think our society couldn't do more against violent 
crime or pollution? I think they can. same for drugs. But what would be the 
cost in jobs? If everyone ws more or less drug free and there were no fears 
of violence or wars and people didn't have underground economy or production 
of weapons what would happen? Could people find enough jobs to sustain 
hunger and frustration of not having enough? I assume policy holders think 
not. so the status quo remains unless the lines are crossed. With pollution 
the lines are crossed when enough people just find breahing HARD for no 
fault of themselves its time we take urgent action.

I think changes happen but hell we have so much misery and people are often 
so mean to each other in the US sometimes we have to make changes faster or 
we are going to destroy our total value system for being free.


>
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Education.shtml
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ReportCard.shtml
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Fleeced%20Again.shtml
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Schools.shtml
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/PerformanceGap.shtml
>
>
>
>
> Just today some cities in
>> California decided to stop relying on coal which is excellent. To many
>> people that will be surprise since our President is the one who pumps it 
>> all
>> the time without the media asking why not more pumping for cleaner
>> alternatives.
>
>
> Experience tells me people will choose a better alternative when it
> exists. Choices are usually removed by governments to protect special
> interests. Power companies have historically been regulated, just as
> schools are. It is difficult for people to get choices in the schools
> to protect teachers' from having to compete.
>
>
The choices exist the changes are happening slowly. I just want the most 
polluted areas to have more clean air. the regulations are not working. I am 
not saying research and prive incentives won't make change happen in the 
future but it took complaining. It took people to see what so many told me I 
was nuts before. I am not nuts , I see exactly the amount of pollutants in 
the air, I warned people back eight years ago. Now families flock to clean 
air and some people are motivated enough to accept to see the possible 
consequences long term. We have private industry working on changes but I 
still think the industries that aresponsible  for energy have a 
responsiblity to provide cleaners on their production facilities. I wonder 
if real change happens because of alternatives or because people vote those 
that slept with the status quo energy companies for so long out, (assuming 
we really are free). I think its criminal what they have been allowed to do 
( energy companies and politicians ) .

> Sometimes asking too many questions, incites more problems for
>> people who like to control the total answers. Its sad to think if 
>> California
>> get cleaner fuel, how bad will it be for NE and SE compared to them in 
>> the
>> future? Why is it some people know of the dangers and listens to the 
>> stats
>> but our news people don't? Why isn't the next logical question about
>> tracking terrorists too difficult to ask by reporters. Look we rely on
>> common sense for all practical reasons in all areas of life, why should
>> normal people have to not rationalize in order to make sense of policy
>> issues?
>
> We rely on markets more than common sense. That is to say it is common
> sense to rely on markets.  If regulations made common sense schools
> would all be wonderful because they are heavily regulated.
>
>
> Are we really free? You don't know what you have till you see
>> someone choking on the air for no fault of their own. Or lose their life
>> when for all practical purposes they were exterminated by energy policies
>> and companies . And I swear to God I believe it.
>> >
> All the schools in the world or all the best teachers in the world is not 
> going to educate kids who are poisoned by pollution. Will this make us a 
> better country in the future to ignore what is happening to kids and 
> families even if only in some places? This is our future. Compound illegal 
> jobs and people and dysfunctional family and the best schools and teachers 
> won't mean much.




> I see lots of failing public schools and common sense tells me
> regulating them to do better does not work.
> More than any other  government agency, schools are accessible, used
> and relied on by "the people.'' Schools are closer to people, and
> people are closer to schools than to any other government agency. If
> local schools are an example of "government by and for the people,''
> then we  must accept the notion that people actually want schools  that
> fail to perform honestly and competently.
>
> On the other hand, if "we the people'' must pay for a "money pit''  we
> obviously don't want, does that not make us
> accountable to government?
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Accountable.shtml
>
> schools
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/PerformanceGap.shtml
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ReportCard.shtml
> http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Schools.shtml
> 
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