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Vast majority of Americans certainly don't .. before, now .. or
  in the future.

"John H Fisher" <TaxService@aol.com> wrote in message 
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> Israel's LIE MACHINE working flat out to dodge killer question!!

Solution to the problem is simple. Israel should withdraw totally from Gaza 
(air, land and sea). Then the Palestinians would not have any excuse for 
firing missiles at Israel and would face the wrath of the entire world if 
they did. The Israeli's should keep their trigger fingered Defense bosses in 
line and the US should treat the Arabs as generously as they currently treat 
the Israeli's. After all, what is good for the goose is also good for the 
gander, to quote a cliche.
Of course, this whole mess wouldn't have happened if an homeland for the 
Jews had been created in a more sensible place than where it currently is. 
The blame for this whole disaster lays firmly at the feet of the US, Britain 
and probably other lesser countries. May God have mercy on their souls. 

Justin Kase wrote:

> Of course, this whole mess wouldn't have happened if an homeland for the 
> Jews had been created in a more sensible place 

   No one axed me .. so fuck um.

   Even the Arabs don't want the stinky Palestinians around.
   Just axe a towel head if they would rather have a Palestinian over
   or a pork chop sandwich for dinner ... The sandwich wins every time.

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:26:40 GMT, "Justin Kase" <raaf.one@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"John H Fisher" <TaxService@aol.com> wrote in message 
>news:gjghsf$a9h$1@taxservice.motzarella.org...
>> Israel's LIE MACHINE working flat out to dodge killer question!!
>
>Solution to the problem is simple. Israel should withdraw totally from Gaza 
>(air, land and sea). Then the Palestinians would not have any excuse for 
>firing missiles at Israel and would face the wrath of the entire world if 
>they did. The Israeli's should keep their trigger fingered Defense bosses in 
>line and the US should treat the Arabs as generously as they currently treat 
>the Israeli's. After all, what is good for the goose is also good for the 
>gander, to quote a cliche.
>Of course, this whole mess wouldn't have happened if an homeland for the 
>Jews had been created in a more sensible place than where it currently is. 
>The blame for this whole disaster lays firmly at the feet of the US, Britain 
>and probably other lesser countries. May God have mercy on their souls. 
>

I have a better idea.  Let Israel cut off the water, electricity,
sewage, food and ALL CONTACT with gaza.  And if the gazans keep firing
rockets into Israel, let's lend them a few wings of B-52's and BOMB
GAZA FLAT or until they stop shooting rockets into ANOTHER COUNTRY.

On Dec 31 2008, 2:39 pm, "John H Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote:
> Israel's LIE MACHINE working flat out to dodge killer question!!
> By Stuart Littlewood
>
> Stuart Littlewood shows how Israel's public relations strategy frames and
> defines the situation in Israel's own terms regardless of the truth and,
> using advanced propaganda skills and the elaborate Israel lobby network, it
> seeks to persuade Western politicians and media to accept Israel's version
> of events.
>
> While the murderous assault on Gaza continues, I notice there's a briefing
> document on the website of the Israeli Embassy in London which has a lie in
> every line. The West's mainstream media repeat them, and even the most
> senior TV and radio interviewers don't bother to challenge them.

It's called job security.

The post is spot on of course.  Nail on head.

>
> The document is a transcript of Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni's statement to
> the Israeli press dated 27 December 2008 - a day that will live in infamy.
> It is a perfect example of the falsehoods used to dupe not only us
> Westerners but Israel's own people. The statement shows how the regime's
> view of itself is constructed on a web of dishonesty and self-delusion.
>
> For example:
>
> * "Israeli citizens have been under the threat of daily attack from Gaza for
> years."
> Palestinians have been under harsh Israeli occupation for 60 years.
>
> * "Only this week hundreds of missiles and mortars shells were fired at
> Israeli civilian communities."
> Only one in 500 Qassam rockets causes a fatality. How many thousands of
> Israeli bombs, missiles, rockets, grenades and tank-shells have been blasted
> into the crowded city and towns of the Gaza Strip by Israel's high-tech
> weaponry??
>
> * "Until now we have shown restraint. But today there is no other option
> than a military operation."
> The only legitimate option for Israel is to end the occupation and withdraw
> behind its 1967 border, as required under international law and UN
> resolutiosn. Israel has been killing Palestinians at the rate of 8 to 1
> since 2000, and children at the rate of nearly 12 to 1 (B'Tselem figures).
> This is somebody's idea of restraint?
>
> * "We need to protect our citizens from attack through a military response
> against the terror infrastructure in Gaza."
> Self-defence is not a right exclusive to Israel. Palestinians have an equal
> right to protect their citizens from the terror tactics of Israel.?
>
> * "Israel left Gaza in order to create an opportunity for peace."
> Israel never left Gaza. It still occupies Gaza's airspace and coastal waters
> and controls all entrances and exits.?
>
> * "In return, the Hamas terror organization took control of Gaza and is
> using its citizens as cover while it deliberately targets Israeli
> communities and denies any chance for peace."
> ?Hamas was voted into power as the legitimate government of Palestine.
> Israel chose not to accept the people's choice, which amounted to a denial
> of their human rights, and immediately set about obliterating it.
>
> * "We have tried everything to reach calm without using force. We agreed to
> a truce through Egypt that was violated by Hamas, which continued to target
> Israel, hold Gilad Shalit and build up its arms."
> Try talking. The Israelis' ongoing siege and economic blockade, begun
> shortly after Hamas was elected early in 2006, was never going to generate
> calm. And why is Shalit considered more important than the 9,000
> Palestinians abducted and held prisoner by Israel? As soon as a Hamas
> government was formed Israeli troops arrested eight Hamas ministers and 20
> other parliamentarians, making the work of government impossible.?
>
> * "Israel continues to act to prevent humanitarian crisis and to minimize
> harm to Palestinian civilians."
> Every agency operating in Gaza has warned of the deepening humanitarian
> crisis and protested about the starvation and suffering, especially of
> children many of whom show evidence of stunted growth.?
>
> * "The responsibility for harm to civilians lies with Hamas."
> Not according to the Fourth Geneva Convention.?
>
> * "Hamas is a terrorist organization, supported by Iran, that does not
> represent the legitimate national interests of the Palestinian people but a
> radical Islamist agenda that seeks to deny peace for the peoples of this
> region."
> Hamas was the popular choice of Palestinians at the last election. It is
> entitled under international law to take up arms against an illegal occupier
> and invader. If it is supported by Iran, so what? Israel receives
> mega-support from the US. When it comes to terror, it is Israel's conduct
> which fits the US definition of terrorism so perfectly - see Bush's
> Executive Order 13224, Section 3.?
>
> * "While confronting Hamas, Israel continues to believe in the two-state
> solution and remains committed to negotiations with the legitimate
> Palestinian Authority in the context of the peace process, launched at
> Annapolis."
> Israel is busy establishing irreversible facts on the ground that make a
> viable Palestinian state impossible. As everyone knows, the regime has
> reneged on the peace process and carries on building illegal settlements and
> the illegal Wall, and demolishing Palestinian homes. Months ago Hamas
> accepted a Palestinian state based on internationally recognized (pre-1967)
> borders, in accordance with UN resolutions, with full sovereignty and its
> capital in Jerusalem, but this has been ignored. Hamas also offered a
> 10-year truce, also ignored. Earlier, Yasser Arafat and the Palestine
> Liberation Organization recognized the State of Israel in the Oslo agreement
> but what good did it do? Today's US-backed, Fatah-controlled Palestinian
> Authority is not representative of the Palestinian people.
>
> * "Israel expects the support and understanding of the international
> community, as it confronts terror, and advances the interest of all those
> who wish the forces of peace and co existence to determine the agenda of
> this region." ?Israel, next to the US, is the biggest purveyor of terror in
> the region and only advances its own interests. It may get the support of
> Israel lobby stooges in other Western governments but is rapidly earning the
> contempt of everybody else.??
>
> From a statement dated 22 December 2008:
>
> * "Hamas, backed by Iran, has regularly stated its desire to see the
> complete destruction of Israel."
> Israel is itself a leading destroyer and currently engaged in trying to wipe
> out Hamas and the Gazans. Iran's President Ahmadinajad quoted the late
> Ayatollah Khomeini as saying that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must
> vanish from the page of time" - fair comment considering that Jerusalem,
> with Bethlehem, was designated an "international city" under the UN
> Partition Plan. Israeli propaganda twisted the Iranian's words to read
> "Israel must be wiped off the map". Zionist sources and the manifestos of
> Israeli political parties have made it clear for a long time that Israel
> plans to wipe Palestine off the map, and every act and lie is directed
> towards that end.
>
> * "Our fight is not with the people of Gaza; it is with the extremists of
> Hamas."
> Then why does the Israeli navy harass and fire on peaceable Gazan fishermen
> who are well within their own territorial waters? Why does Israel prevent
> Palestinian students from taking up places at foreign universities and block
> hospital spares, medicines, foodstuffs and foreign medics from entering
> Gaza? Why has the Israeli navy just rammed a mercy vessel in international
> waters taking doctors and medicines to Gaza? Latest air strikes have hit the
> Islamic University and the Ministry of Education. These are direct attacks
> on Gazan civil society and its infrastructure.
>
> * "Hamas started this conflict, and it bears responsibility for any harm to
> civilians on either side."
> The conflict, started by Jewish terrorists, has been going on for 60 years,
> decades before Hamas came into being.
>
> * "Israel's only responsibility is to protect Israeli citizens."
> As the occupying power Israel has a duty to see that the people of the
> occupied territories come to no harm.
>
> * "Just as Israel seeks to defend its civilian population, Hamas seeks to
> kill them."
> This reads far better the other way round: "Just as Hamas seeks to defend
> its civilian population, Israel seeks to kill them."
>
> * "Rocket attacks have continued for years and are now a daily occurrence.
> How long does the international community expect Israel will wait before
> defending itself against them?"
> The rocket attacks will end when Israel ends the occupation and stops
> terrorizing its neighbours.
>
> * "In the south of Israel, Israeli citizens live with air raid sirens
> sounding every day - sometimes every hour. Their situation is intolerable."
> Not half as intolerable as it is for the Gazans, who live in constant fear
> of air raids and re-invasion and are constantly under surveillance by armed
> drones which can fire missiles under computer control from an armchair in
> Israeli headquarters.
>
> * "For years, the international community has turned a blind eye to this
> onslaught. Only when Israel seeks to stop the rockets do they take notice."
> For years the international community has turned a blind eye to Israel's
> violations of international law and human rights, which is why the problem
> remains unsolved.
>
> * "Hamas is not only the enemy of Israel - it is the enemy of every
> Palestinian who believes in peace."
> Israelis just can't come to terms with the Palestinians' democratic choice
> and are bent on obliterating it.
>
> * "It is Hamas' attacks - not Israel's reactions - that destroy every
> opportunity we have for peace."
> The world has managed to work out by now that Israel doesn't want peace
> until it has stolen all the land and water it needs to expand its racist
> state into a "Greater Israel". It is well on the way to achieving this and
> won't be thwarted.
>
> * "Palestinian militants targeted by Israel are not just the enemies of the
> Israeli people; they are criminals under international law, and enemies of
> peace."
> Israel is in no position to preach international law.
>
> * "What is collective punishment? 'Collective punishment' is a city -
> schools, ...
>
> read more »

On Jan 1, 8:11 am, King of Country of What <TheK...@lost.com> wrote:
> Justin Kase wrote:
> > Of course, this whole mess wouldn't have happened if an homeland for the
> > Jews had been created in a more sensible place
>
>    No one axed me .. so fuck um.
>
>    Even the Arabs don't want the stinky Palestinians around.
>    Just axe a towel head if they would rather have a Palestinian over
>    or a pork chop sandwich for dinner ... The sandwich wins every time.

Your daddy said the same about American blacks, bigot.

On Jan 1, 2:08 pm, Fifty...@abcnnbcbs.com wrote:
> >"John H Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:gjghsf$a9h$1@taxservice.motzarella.org...
> >> Israel's LIE MACHINE working flat out to dodge killer question!!
>
> >Solution to the problem is simple. Israel should withdraw totally from Gaza
> >(air, land and sea). Then the Palestinians would not have any excuse for
> >firing missiles at Israel and would face the wrath of the entire world if
> >they did. The Israeli's should keep their trigger fingered Defense bosses in
> >line and the US should treat the Arabs as generously as they currently treat
> >the Israeli's. After all, what is good for the goose is also good for the
> >gander, to quote a cliche.
> >Of course, this whole mess wouldn't have happened if an homeland for the
> >Jews had been created in a more sensible place than where it currently is.
> >The blame for this whole disaster lays firmly at the feet of the US, Britain
> >and probably other lesser countries. May God have mercy on their souls.
>
> I have a better idea.

Not as good an idea as the one where your parents were spayed and
neutered.

> Let Israel cut off the water, electricity,
> sewage, food and ALL CONTACT with gaza.  And if the gazans keep firing
> rockets into Israel, let's lend them a few wings of B-52's and BOMB
> GAZA FLAT or until they stop shooting rockets into ANOTHER COUNTRY.- Hide quoted text -

<Fiftycal@abcnnbcbs.com> wrote in message 
news:315ql4po3dpb4ult7695gt8bfddkvdau24@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:26:40 GMT, "Justin Kase" <raaf.one@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John H Fisher" <TaxService@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:gjghsf$a9h$1@taxservice.motzarella.org...
>>> Israel's LIE MACHINE working flat out to dodge killer question!!
>>
>>Solution to the problem is simple. Israel should withdraw totally from 
>>Gaza
>>(air, land and sea). Then the Palestinians would not have any excuse for
>>firing missiles at Israel and would face the wrath of the entire world if
>>they did. The Israeli's should keep their trigger fingered Defense bosses 
>>in
>>line and the US should treat the Arabs as generously as they currently 
>>treat
>>the Israeli's. After all, what is good for the goose is also good for the
>>gander, to quote a cliche.
>>Of course, this whole mess wouldn't have happened if an homeland for the
>>Jews had been created in a more sensible place than where it currently is.
>>The blame for this whole disaster lays firmly at the feet of the US, 
>>Britain
>>and probably other lesser countries. May God have mercy on their souls.
>>
>
> I have a better idea.  Let Israel cut off the water, electricity,
> sewage, food and ALL CONTACT with gaza.

They've done that. They do that.

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:04:21 +1000, "B.H. Cramer" <wotsup@now.com>
wrote:

>> I have a better idea.  Let Israel cut off the water, electricity,
>> sewage, food and ALL CONTACT with gaza.
>
>They've done that. They do that.
>
NO, they havn't.  For "humanitarian" reasons.  And they are learning
the hard way that WAR should be without artificial limits.  Cut off
gaza totally and the people in that shithole will either revolt
against the terrorists or die.

Fiftycal@abcnnbcbs.com wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:04:21 +1000, "B.H. Cramer" <wotsup@now.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>> I have a better idea.  Let Israel cut off the water, electricity,
>>> sewage, food and ALL CONTACT with gaza.
>> They've done that. They do that.
>>
> NO, they havn't.  For "humanitarian" reasons.  And they are learning
> the hard way that WAR should be without artificial limits.  Cut off
> gaza totally and the people in that shithole will either revolt
> against the terrorists or die.

"Oh Norman, listen!  The loons are calling!"
 >    - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"-

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:37:33 -0500, Gary Renzetti
<lizgary@connection.com> wrote:

>>>> I have a better idea.  Let Israel cut off the water, electricity,
>>>> sewage, food and ALL CONTACT with gaza.
>>> They've done that. They do that.
>>>
>> NO, they havn't.  For "humanitarian" reasons.  And they are learning
>> the hard way that WAR should be without artificial limits.  Cut off
>> gaza totally and the people in that shithole will either revolt
>> against the terrorists or die.
>
>"Oh Norman, listen!  The loons are calling!"
> >    - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"-

FYI, mecca is that-a-way.  Say howdy to yassar arabfat while you are
on your knees.