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look I might be wrong with stocks but the others things are true , I assume 
sometimes stocks and people win.
"dfte" <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>
> people don't care about each other anymore
>
> Do you think the news will tell you all this that I have written below?
> Please send this post to as many people as you can
> Please we are losing the fight for doing the right things.
>
> How is it that people can do the wrong things in this country so often and 
> get away with it?
> We don't do anything about violent crime
> My city had pollution ratings of particulate pollution at 100 today. Good 
> quality of air has left.literally , and its getting worse, the percentage 
> of days we get pollution like this keep increasing and nothing is done. . 
> For 20 days we had no good days of air  and 100 out of 119 days the air 
> was not good most every hour of the day,. If it reached good for ten 
> minutes they sure as hell will tell you the whole day was good.. The list 
> of damage is ignored. Simply ignored by politicians, I weeze automatically 
> at moderate.. let alone at 100 particulate rates. Trust me the gov knows 
> what is happening. What hell am I in? Stock losses. health loss, no jobs. 
> but hell oil prices can sabotage our economy and they can get weapons too 
> to continue to put unreasonable demands on those that have less . We pay 
> countries who hate just because they tell us they are fighting terrorists. 
> How in the helll did we default to all this?
> We brought millions here and many people can't get jobs
> Stocks! All my stocks go opposite once my money shows and the more money 
> shows the more insiders can either sell or invest against your investment 
> or tell hedge funds. If your money is in stock, all of a sudden brokerages 
> can find information ( don't matter what) and have explanations at hand 
> why your stock is going down usually once it shows up or up if your short 
> enough. They talk about changing factors why your stock loses.. Three 
> times I had stocks that went down almost all the way to zero. Look at the 
> stock board for stkl and see what happened yet no SEC investigation? The 
> stock mysterious kept going down and insiders sold and after the stock 
> lost close to 50 percent they come out with bad news and insiders gained 
> millions.. After you lose and believe me they can bring it down to however 
> low it takes, someone buys and takes it back up without you. The stocks 
> that do great are always the ones that were under your radar.
> Big business has a licenese to steal with unreasonble charges and interest 
> rates.
>
>> they have evolved to human manipulation and control
>>
>>
>>
>>> Two . Stocks used to be great investments, hold for the long
>>> haul,Now  they go up and down and often to 0 or close because they can
>>> now! Stocks
>>> go down fast now because thats the best way to get your money the 
>>> fastest!
>>> .now Money market guys and insiders and shorts and hedge funds trade
>>> against
>>> you often with information they get before you, and you don't have  and 
>>> who is going
>>> to prove
>>> it? The only cases that go to court is so obvious, the rest get to make
>>> money at will often  off  the backs of your investments.Ps its suicidal 
>>> to be a day traders,
>>> simply because no matter how good the stock, market makers can know your
>>> history and hold the stock back which is why they lose 90 percent of 
>>> time.
>>> But even worse just investing in stocks can almost assure losses and be 
>>> a
>>> set up.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Stocks in my
>>>>> estimation are set up for insiders and hedge funds and shorts to gain
>>>>> over and over on your investments. Even if thats not always true, what
>>>>> is more true is that after you invest chances are the stock goes
>>>>> opposite your intended wishes especially if the stock is overloaded 
>>>>> with buyers or shorts . When allot of momentum builds one way you 
>>>>> don't have to see your stock go up to show it. you just have people 
>>>>> come in to find reasons to short or go opposite those positions.. When 
>>>>> allot and tons of buyers come in, this is when its best to short. 
>>>>> except you are the last to know why. . especially the more you invest. 
>>>>> Its the
>>>>> most incredible things I have ever seen . They have thousands of 
>>>>> reasons
>>>>> why,
>>>>> restated earnings, mistakes in audit, inflation, deflation jobs
>>>>> producing too
>>>>> fast, jobs lost too fast.. You name it when your money shows up they
>>>>> will
>>>>> come out with why the stock went opposite yours. You know how many 
>>>>> times
>>>>> my stocks went
>>>>> down over 70 percent!  Most! Yep it was just me , not! I  did great on
>>>>> paper till my investment went in . They all do great till your big 
>>>>> money
>>>>> shows up. I had a dsl stock go bankrupt, I had a Global Crossing go 
>>>>> out,
>>>>> (insider trading in both those)  I had
>>>>> internet stock, that went to 100 that tanked, I had a advertising
>>>>> company
>>>>> that went fro 100 to 10 (tfsm) ! Seriously, Five times I lost over
>>>>> thousands of dollars.. This last time I picked a stock with great
>>>>> ratings from brokers, never went up or down more then 8 points in 15
>>>>> years, and
>>>>> when I invested it went from 15 to 5 in  6 weeks. This is not lies ! 
>>>>> or
>>>>> the first
>>>>> time this has happened. And while it may be funny and incite someone 
>>>>> to
>>>>> say "let me know what you invest in I will short  it", , basically 
>>>>> thats
>>>>> what the stock market is predicated upon now, decpetion. ! Al this is
>>>>> not an accident  This is not an accident You know
>>>>> whats was the changing conditions that often stock holders read about
>>>>> when
>>>>> their money shows up in stocks and lose? YOUR MONEY SHOWING UP is the
>>>>> changing
>>>>> condition . Shorts and brokerages and company officals can have all
>>>>> sorts
>>>>> of reasons why
>>>>> the stocks tanked  or went opposite yours, , before even the 
>>>>> information
>>>>> came out  and they get away
>>>>> with  trading over and over with this information against your
>>>>> investment before you  yet nothing is done. !!!!!!You always see your
>>>>> stock more likely to go up , after you get out. I just sold a big play 
>>>>> on stkl because I didn't feel like seeing a stock that moved up 8 
>>>>> points in 12 years lose it all in five weeks with my dollars in it. 
>>>>> You know I heard my dad
>>>>> who is old say to relative, people know more today. This is true but
>>>>> often this knowledge is used to cheat and take unfari advantage.
>>>>> Pollution kills and I have personal knowledge of some of the effects. 
>>>>> We
>>>>> have links to damage, and we depend on high oil prices. Yet do sane
>>>>> people try to protect people with the knowledge we attained? do we try 
>>>>> to protect kids at most risk? Not yet. Today I have links to damage 
>>>>> and I am stating let God be my judge they can prove illness correlated 
>>>>> to pollution levels or the amount of clean air people get or the 
>>>>> amount of clean air they don't get. People in harms way are not told 
>>>>> and trust me my body shuts down at this level .. This is the meaness 
>>>>> of people in control. forget stocks, they can literally take your 
>>>>> breath away ..
>>>>> because of political aspirations and rules already made to benefit the
>>>>> top percents. In stocks its set up so they can take your money legally
>>>>> or illegally. For energy they can poison you for however long it takes 
>>>>> so pharmacy and news can profit. Does news tell you whats really 
>>>>> happening? Of course not. They are too busy consolidating.
> the differences between the poor and rich keep increasing. Of course the 
> news people are happy they get paid to act like there are some problems so 
> what!
> We need election reform
>
>
>>>>> brokerage quotes are ususally ready  about why the stock did bad at 
>>>>> the
>>>>> same time the stock
>>>>> tanked or went opposite your position.Stocks are often set up to 
>>>>> attract
>>>>> your
>>>>> money so someone else can bet against it..Shorts and insiders often 
>>>>> sell
>>>>> or at least tell  brokerages and hedge funds
>>>> on information
>>>> they attained before anyone else
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> People write me all the time agreeing with me or saying I am nuts
>>>>> In so many ways we are screwing ourselves and just not doing the right
>>>>> things. We set up an economy with expectation of crime and giant
>>>>> defecits
>>>>> and people exposed to pollution harm and more censureship and fear of
>>>>> violence, and Big business with rules like giant late fees, protection
>>>>> service fees I never ordered, telling you they will give you money to
>>>>> switch
>>>>> to a broker then gives you a horrible price when you make a market
>>>>> trade,
>>>>> people need to talk to automated phones to answer wrong charges from
>>>>> cell
>>>>> phone companies . I provided the links to pollution damages  and my
>>>>> lungs constrict and other ominous things happen to people without good
>>>>> air yet politicians don't care. They dont write back even with links. 
>>>>> so
>>>>> if they can do , you know they can do anything. You must learn to
>>>>> protect your family. Politicians no longer care.. Violence claims more
>>>>> women then anything. Its the leading cause of death for women in 
>>>>> certain
>>>>> age groups ) or close)  ( . I am part of the population
>>>>> who
>>>>> see sdysfunction and not many people doing much to stem it.! Our life 
>>>>> is
>>>>> about getting into dysfunction and going to courts and jails and
>>>>> laywers. Do we do the things to stem any of this? Our role models take
>>>>> drug enhancment pills or viagra  or bet on their own games. Social
>>>>> workers
>>>>> not
>>>>> caring. people not counted, welfare lines,
>>>>> I fear for people who will need help in the future as they retire.
>>>>> The world is messed up and  I am not saying its better around the 
>>>>> world
>>>>> in
>>>>> most places but we are heading in the direction of control at the
>>>>> expense
>>>>> of
>>>>> better values. Kids coming to schools which need bomb and gun 
>>>>> detectors,
>>>>> rising vandalism and hate, our country in debt to the teeth... One
>>>>> wonders
>>>>> why we just didn't do the right things to start.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stocks use to go up for the long haul now they go up and down , allot 
>>>>> of
>>>>> times based on how much you invest, or the more you invest , that is
>>>>> often
>>>>> if not always played against. or at least have market makers allowed 
>>>>> to
>>>>> take it opposite your big positons.. . when your money shows up-thats
>>>>> the
>>>>> changing
>>>>> conditions brokers talk about for REAL that caused the stock to go
>>>>> opposite
>>>>> way.. Things usually happen after your money shows up.. Thats the 
>>>>> reason
>>>>> the ceo and insiders sell before the public knows why like in my 
>>>>> present
>>>>> disaster.  They said the earnings from previous quarter had to be
>>>>> resubmitted and some control issue causes less earning. Always 
>>>>> something
>>>>> comes up to go opposite your position. Of course the lower the price 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the stock the more likely this might happen but I suppose that should
>>>>> not
>>>>> then make investing in the more expensive stocks a better option. If
>>>>> they
>>>>> set you up for small stocks they will do it to high rollers even 
>>>>> more..
>>>>> They have their own churning mill ready to tell you why your stock
>>>>> went opposite your position, quotes ready for the vulnerable. Don't 
>>>>> ever
>>>>> put
>>>>> day trade or put in a stop order, they can hold the stock up  ( if 
>>>>> your
>>>>> short) or down till you sell , because they know your trading history.
>>>>> The
>>>>> stocks that go up the most are written about after they went up and 
>>>>> you
>>>>> and
>>>>> uncle were not in them. They all just missed your radar . When you do
>>>>> get
>>>>> in
>>>>> chances are the stock will take a dead stop.  Street coms say get in
>>>>> before
>>>>> market finds out about it, why should market discovering it stop 
>>>>> making
>>>>> it
>>>>> to go up? lol  Market manipulation like this is almost assured, Your
>>>>> money
>>>>> is played against., The fix to take your money is ongoing, just 
>>>>> another
>>>>> reality people who lost can tell you about if yoru willing to listen.
>>>>> We
>>>>> really need automated stock trades, but like everything else we
>>>>> rather see people lose to insiders and market makers again
>>>>> Whats the saying about people who make the same mistakes over and over
>>>>> again? PS you know when the stocks go down the most , when your 
>>>>> invested
>>>>> and they go up the most when you get out, over and over again, then 
>>>>> they
>>>>> can say see the stock is up! Or if you go short, it will go up
>>>> On a similar note, NEVER EVER put up allot of money on a horse race or 
>>>> a stock . Why?
>>>> I
>>>> use to watch the $100 windows before they became universal and you can
>>>> bet
>>>> anything on any window.
>>>> Its the same exact for horse racing. The owner doesn't know much, its 
>>>> how
>>>> much is bet on the horse that often influences its chance on winning 
>>>> The
>>>> more you bet  or your money showing up with other bettors ,the less
>>>> chance
>>>> especially if the odds don't go down with your big bets. I can go on 
>>>> but
>>>> I want to keep this short. write me at mscantpollution@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> . The moral of the
>>>> stories is many things are fixed against you. Stay sane and try to do 
>>>> the
>>>> best things to be good to people anyway  and promote the right things
>>>> anyway! I hope and pray people don't lose
>>>> their hard earned dollars in the stock market. I did and additionally I
>>>> find it hard to get a job. Discrimination is real or there is just not
>>>> enough jobs. The people who make these
>>>> temporary
>>>> roadblocks are very good at what they do, and think they will get away
>>>> with
>>>> cheating people. You have an opportunity of putting your money away for
>>>> savings somewhere else where you can't get manipulation legally to take
>>>> it.
>>>> This is the sad state of affairs in America including set up for asthma
>>>> based on pollution and dependence on big oil ,but is not talked 
>>>> about.and
>>>> only the rich get elected to
>>>> public office and more rules for big business to take you if your not
>>>> aware.
>>>> charges that are on your credit card and cell phone bills and are built
>>>> in
>>>> ,
>>>> that no matter what you do big business will find a way to charge you
>>>> false
>>>> charges and get away with it a certain percentage of times.Thats why 
>>>> they
>>>> do it. They got rules allowed to charge you more interest rates or late
>>>> fees then the actual balance multiplied over and over. How long do you
>>>> want to talk to automated phone systems that seldom recognize what you
>>>> said.How many bills and papers do you need to save yourself from big
>>>> business corruption and overcharging from interest rates? >>>>
>>>>> Please save someone the heartache from losses that often generate from
>>>>> stock trading that go to insiders or hedge funds before regular 
>>>>> traders
>>>>> have a chance.
>>>>>tell others don't make the same mistaks.
>>>>>
>>>>>99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
> http://s140.photobucket.com/albums/r31/mlarry51/?action=view&current=filter2.jpg>>>>>>>> 
> need someone to listen to care, Our people are being murdered,>>>>>>>> 
> being>>>>>>>> poisoned by coal and exhaust conditions without more being 
> down.>>>>>>>> How>>>>>>>> do>>>>>>>> I>>>>>>>> know? My lungs constrict 
> everyday in it and when I am not in  that>>>>>>>> type>>>>>>>> of air I 
> don't have>>>>> constricted lungs.>>>>> My air filters turn>>>>> black in 
> less then>>>>> 30 days>>>>> I >>> seriously have tried to do the best in 
> my life and now I am>>>>> thinking>>>>>>>> there>>>>>>>> were things I 
> couldnt' get past and people are being unfairly not>>>>>>>> 
> protected>>>>>>>> from refinery and industry pollution  and auto exhausts 
> and so many>>>>>>>> days>>>>>>>> without clean air.>>>>>>>> Warmer 
> temperatures where If you remember our past winters, this is>>>>>>>> 
> like>>>>>>>> the twilightzone. so should we not complain when someone like 
> me>>>>>>>> sees>>>>>>>> all this happening?  Temperatures are often ten 
> degrees warmer. We>>>>>>>> are>>>>>>>> getting>>>>>>>> most depression and 
> respiratory disease with commercials for>>>>>>>> allergy>>>>>>>> 
> and>>>>>>>> respiratory meds and inhalers without a news or big 
> business>>>>>>>> telling>>>>>>>> you>>>>>>>> why>>>>>>>> we need   Our 
> teams seldom win, American Idol  was in>>>>>>>> Philly>>>>>>>> and someone 
> with clean air in Oregon  and California got the best>>>>>>>> 
> reviews.>>>>>>>> Out of thousands of people , Philly people were not very 
> good. The>>>>>>>> negative>>>>>>>> Philly people were showcased ( half 
> were borderline or>>>>>>>> schizophrenic>>>>>>>> surprised@) .>>>>>>>> 
> If>>>>>>>> and I say this with all seriousness, we were examined compared 
> to>>>>>>>> rest>>>>>>>> of>>>>>>>> people with clean air our health would 
> show additionally how harmed>>>>>>>> we>>>>>>>> have>>>>>>>> been from 
> this pollution both physically and mentally. . I>>>>>>>> seriously>>>>>>>> 
> think we need>>>>>>>> a>>>>>>>> great lawyer to show how the most days 
> without clean air, affected>>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>> people here.  The most 
> incredible poisoning that is allowed to>>>>>>>> continue>>>>>>>> 
> for>>>>>>>> years . Most days without good air. A very violent city , A 
> very>>>>>>>> depressed>>>>>>>> city, more cancers and heart disease. 
> Number one in asthma and>>>>>>>> respiratory>>>>>>>> disease  and its all 
> ignored. God 
> help --\>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>>> 
> We>>>>>>>> need to get lawyers to stop this pollution now and>>>>>>>> stop 
> the dirty coal now not in 2020, to change our percent of>>>>>>>> 
> gasoline,>>>>>>>> to>>>>>>>> innovate ways to immediate help kids not harm 
> families.Please read>>>>>>>> on>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228/ap_on_re_us/aging_west>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> as long as your sitting ducks for asthma and lung institutes and>>>>>>>>> 
> cancer>>>>>>>>> hospitals and more and more hospital annexes and directly 
> in path>>>>>>>>> of>>>>>>>>> coal>>>>>>>>> pollution, oil refineries and 
> concentrated exhausts with a city>>>>>>>>> prettty>>>>>>>>> much>>>>>>>>> 
> in denial about how to remedy it or to not even care about>>>>>>>>> 
> worsening>>>>>>>>> traffic conditions to maybe improve>>>>>>>>> things. I 
> see the exact same things happeening here for coming ten>>>>>>>>> 
> years.>>>>>>>>> ,>>>>>>>>> You can bank on your kids getting more 
> pollution, , more violence,>>>>>>>>> (then>>>>>>>>> average) kids not 
> learning,  and horrible health ratings and ads>>>>>>>>> to>>>>>>>>> 
> target>>>>>>>>> you from illness put upon you for no reason then 
> because>>>>>>>>> politicians>>>>>>>>> let>>>>>>>>> it>>>>>>>>> 
> happen.>>>>>>>>> cares. Saw that guy Chitwood from homicide talk about 
> murder or>>>>>>>>> cab>>>>>>>>> driver>>>>>>>>> ( another murder how 
> surprising) the guy who is probably over 50>>>>>>>>> also>>>>>>>>> 
> looks>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is the link to air pollution and 
> danger in exercising in it.>>>>>>>>> 
> http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=healthcheck&id=5653450>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070914/ap_on_sc/smog_study;_ylt=Aivfwa5A9fYk4.Q4F5tPYP2s0NUE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070918/hl_afp/ushealthvirusclimate>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/jul2007/clim-j19.shtml>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.megaportal.us/newsa/Avril.php?ArticleID=X3uu1Y3x2v1xG1Y1Z2k383e3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.kait8.com/Global/story.asp?S=4935559>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us life 
> expectency falls to 42nd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2147617,00.html>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> now heart disease worsens because of it.>>>>>>>>> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/heart_pollution_dc>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pollution 
> and heart disease>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.ionizers.org/Heart-Disease.html>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parituclate 
> pollution dangers>>>>>>>>> Ultra-fine particulate matter has been linked 
> with premature>>>>>>>>> death,>>>>>>>>> cardiovascular disease and 
> respiratory illness, according to the>>>>>>>>> California>>>>>>>>> Air 
> Resources Board. Though it takes Americans an average of 25>>>>>>>>> 
> minutes>>>>>>>>> to>>>>>>>>> drive to work, according to 2005 U.S. Census 
> Bureau figures, the>>>>>>>>> board>>>>>>>>> estimates that over 50% of a 
> person's daily exposure to ultra-fine>>>>>>>>> particles>>>>>>>>> can 
> occur during a commute.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Likewise, a 2005 study by 
> researchers at the University of>>>>>>>>> Southern>>>>>>>>> California's 
> Keck School of Medicine showed that long-term>>>>>>>>> exposure>>>>>>>>> 
> to>>>>>>>>> ambient particulate matter may contribute to atherosclerosis, 
> the>>>>>>>>> hardening>>>>>>>>> and narrowing of the 
> arteries.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Particle pollution kills people, whether 
> they're breathing it in>>>>>>>>> over>>>>>>>>> a>>>>>>>>> short period or 
> day in and day out for a year," Nolen says. "It's>>>>>>>>> not>>>>>>>>> 
> like>>>>>>>>> being hit by a car, but it shortens the lives of people by 
> months>>>>>>>>> to>>>>>>>>> years.">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if you live in 
> a city with low pollution levels, don't kid>>>>>>>>> yourself;>>>>>>>>> 
> that doesn't necessarily mean your commute is healthy. A 2007>>>>>>>>> 
> report>>>>>>>>> by>>>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>>> Clean Air Task Force that 
> investigated diesel exhaust levels>>>>>>>>> during>>>>>>>>> 
> commutes>>>>>>>>> in New York, Boston, Austin, Texas, and Columbus, Ohio, 
> documented>>>>>>>>> diesel>>>>>>>>> particle levels four to eight times 
> higher inside commuter cars,>>>>>>>>> buses>>>>>>>>> and>>>>>>>>> trains 
> than in those cities' ambient outdoor air.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only 
> commutes found to be low in diesel exposure were those on>>>>>>>>> 
> electric-powered subways and commuter trains, buses running on>>>>>>>>> 
> alternative>>>>>>>>> fuels or retrofitted with diesel particulate filters, 
> and in cars>>>>>>>>> traveling>>>>>>>>> with little truck 
> traffic>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exercising in polluted air 
> causes 
> harm>>>>>>>>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-rock-positano/exercising-outdoors-in-ma_b_66171.html>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> DEATHS caused by pollution>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dying For a 
> Change ->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's one small reason to join the 
> save-the-environment cause:>>>>>>>>> new>>>>>>>>> research indicates that 
> some 40 percent of deaths worldwide are a>>>>>>>>> direct effect of air, 
> water, and soil pollution. Dirty air>>>>>>>>> contributes>>>>>>>>> to 
> cancer and birth defects; unclean water accounts for 80 percent>>>>>>>>> 
> of>>>>>>>>> all infectious diseases; and contaminated soil passes toxics 
> to>>>>>>>>> unwitting humans through direct contact or via food. According 
> to>>>>>>>>> researchers' review of data from more than 120 published 
> papers,>>>>>>>>> pollution combined with population growth contributes 
> to>>>>>>>>> malnourishment and disease susceptibility in 3.7 billion 
> people,>>>>>>>>> or>>>>>>>>> about 57 percent of the world population. In 
> 1950, when a mere 2.5>>>>>>>>> billion humans roamed the earth, only 20 
> percent of the population>>>>>>>>> was>>>>>>>>> malnourished. Says lead 
> researcher David Pimentel, "We have>>>>>>>>> serious>>>>>>>>> 
> environmental resource problems of water, land, and energy, and>>>>>>>>> 
> these>>>>>>>>> are now coming to bear on food production, malnutrition, 
> and the>>>>>>>>> incidence of diseases.">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight to the 
> source: Science Daily, 14 Aug 2007>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight to the 
> source: The Ithaca Journal, Topher Sanders, 13 Aug>>>>>>>>> 
> 2007>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume people walk for a cure 
> while not possibly realizing or>>>>>>>>> caring>>>>>>>>> they>>>>>>>>> are 
> doing more harm possibly by taking long walks and living in>>>>>>>>> 
> polluted>>>>>>>>> air>>>>>>>>> , or not worrying about their diet  then 
> worrying  about a drugs>>>>>>>>> and>>>>>>>>> hospitals looking for a cure 
> i. Maybe they don't need to give>>>>>>>>> medical>>>>>>>>> centers more 
> money , because I can't think of a single drug that>>>>>>>>> will>>>>>>>>> 
> reverse asthma or probably other cancers once they get it from 
> the>>>>>>>>> environment (if that can be proven). Since>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> The>>>>>>>>> biggest differences in quality of health when everything else 
> is>>>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>>> same>>>>>>>>> like diet and  bad habits  is the 
> differences between people who>>>>>>>>> live>>>>>>>>> and>>>>>>>>> work 
> in polluted air near coal and industry and refineries the>>>>>>>>> 
> most>>>>>>>>> time>>>>>>>>> and those that don't. , People who wait in 
> long traffic lines and>>>>>>>>> live>>>>>>>>> near>>>>>>>>> crowded malls 
> or work in heavy traffic are much much more prone ot>>>>>>>>> 
> lives>>>>>>>>> of>>>>>>>>> devastation from illness and yet they are 
> rarely connected to the>>>>>>>>> pollution>>>>>>>>> levels and this is in 
> fact on purpose. What I have seen in the>>>>>>>>> last>>>>>>>>> 
> twenty>>>>>>>>> years is babies crying more often , people who sleep less, 
> people>>>>>>>>> who>>>>>>>>> get>>>>>>>>> more depression , asthma and 
> respiratory illness often at exactly>>>>>>>>> no>>>>>>>>> fault>>>>>>>>> 
> of their own and politicians and newsmakers completely in 
> together>>>>>>>>> in>>>>>>>>> ignoring the implications. The most 
> incredible indifference to>>>>>>>>> human>>>>>>>>> suffering I have ever 
> seen in my life. continues... so help me>>>>>>>>> god.well
> 

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:05:51 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>How is it that people can do the wrong things in this country so often and 
>get away with it?

Your naivete is UNBELIEVABLE. "Getting away" with whatever it is
to get power, or maintain power, or subjugate people to create
power has been a recurring theme throughout a lot of human history.
I'm talking about *thousands* of years.

So your concerns are essentially ridiculous because human nature
hasn't changed and isn't going to change. 

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:19:01 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>look I might be wrong with stocks but the others things are true , I assume 
>sometimes stocks and people win.

The only reason you are talking about the stock market is because
it's in the major news right now.

Did you care about it before that?  

"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message 
news:slrnfq0qsk.22d.kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu...
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:19:01 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>look I might be wrong with stocks but the others things are true , I 
>>assume
>>sometimes stocks and people win.
>
> The only reason you are talking about the stock market is because
> it's in the major news right now.
>
> Did you care about it before that?
comon
how can I possibly talk about it so much if I had not lost
what 3 times, as soon as I put some decent money the things took a dive like 
the same thing that would happen if you put allot of money on a horse. I 
know allot of things Karen from experience, Won't get me a job but I can 
help someone from losing. Are all stocks trash? No way. but like I said , 
you use to be able to buy at mid point and expect growth good and bad times. 
Now you have to buy at the very bottom and now they go down as far as it 
needs to go to get you to leave . Day traders are just as suicidal as anyone 
who puts allot of money on a race.
But much more problematic is our air quality which might and I say might 
gingerly reach good for the first time in what 20 days? The air has been 
absolutely horrific and I am very serious. . There was this piece on yahoo 
about this guy who could read minds so he claims ( he is son of a rabbi) and 
he claims its not psyhic . I am making the same claim about moderate 
particulate pollution and its producing illness and poor health registering 
in me like for a real reason: to alert others. Of course I honestly believe 
the pollution factor is much more ominious then stocks, cause obviously one 
doesn't have to invest. 

no where Karen have I seen negative changes as much as in the NE. Many 
people from midwest talk as if none of this is happening. I get email from 
peopole saying people treat others with respect, there is little crime and 
no pollution and farming has come back big time. There are two entirely 
different worlds going on.
"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message 
news:slrnfq0qo5.22d.kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu...
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:05:51 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>How is it that people can do the wrong things in this country so often and
>>get away with it?
>
> Your naivete is UNBELIEVABLE. "Getting away" with whatever it is
> to get power, or maintain power, or subjugate people to create
> power has been a recurring theme throughout a lot of human history.
> I'm talking about *thousands* of years.
>
> So your concerns are essentially ridiculous because human nature
> hasn't changed and isn't going to change.
>
>
> 

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:05:58 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message 
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>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:19:01 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>look I might be wrong with stocks but the others things are true , I 
>>>assume
>>>sometimes stocks and people win.
>>
>> The only reason you are talking about the stock market is because
>> it's in the major news right now.
>>
>> Did you care about it before that?
>comon
>how can I possibly talk about it so much if I had not lost
>what 3 times, as soon as I put some decent money the things took a dive like 

Ever heard of diversification??? You do not put too much of your money in stocks
alone. Ever.

> I 
>know allot of things Karen from experience,

Not about investing. I haven't lost any money, overall, yet.
I didn't during the dotcom crash. I didn't during the '87 crash.

> Are all stocks trash? No way.

Well, that we can agree on.

> but like I said , 
>you use to be able to buy at mid point and expect growth good and bad times. 
>Now you have to buy at the very bottom and now they go down as far as it 
>needs to go to get you to leave . Day traders are just as suicidal as anyone 
>who puts allot of money on a race.

The problem with day trading is it's no longer the purview of financial
perfessionals. Any idiot can day trade now. The internet has made that
possible.

>But much more problematic is our air quality

Well, gee, I was almost hoping you could actually get through
a post(one that has some interest for me) without bringing
this up.

> which might and I say might 
>gingerly reach good for the first time in what 20 days?

Funny thing is, I feel fine...exactly as I did 20
days ago.

> The air has been 
>absolutely horrific and I am very serious. .

You know if you actually have enough money to invest
why haven't figured out how to make enough to get
away from all the horrific air.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:49:19 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>no where Karen have I seen negative changes as much as in the NE.

Just read some history. Don't you have a lot of free
time???

It might help you understand how recent "negative changes" that
you are so worried about are nothing compared to living 100-150
years ago before there was even dependable electrical service
for instance. You or I can't even imagine living in that
kind of environment. I mean we freak out when we lose
power in storms. Imagine not having electric power as a way-of-life!
Where if you were lucky all you did have was gas for lighting.

> Many 
>people from midwest talk as if none of this is happening.

Given that I have friends in  Nebraska I can tell you that
their frame of reference is indeed different than our
own but that doesn't mean that they are free from
modern problems like drug addiction. It's just that they
don't smoke crack, they use crystal meth and alcohol.
And the "decent world" you think exists out there is
illusionary.

> I get email from 
>peopole saying people treat others with respect,

I've been there! More than once. That "politeness" is just
PHONEY. They back bite. They're nasty and they cover
it all by parking their butts in church on Sunday
thinking that will fix every 10 Commandment they 
break during the week.
 
> there is little crime

That's partially because there are less people. Steve, there are
less people in the entire state of Nebraska than there
are in the city of Phila.

> and 
>no pollution

You haven't been there, have you? There's plenty of
pollution. It's created by massive agriculture i.e
fertilizers, etc. Pig farms with pools of stinking
pig shit. And coal mining on a scale
that you can barely wrap your mind around.
The coal trains going from Colorado through
the panhandle section of Nebraska are miles
long. 2-3 and more miles long.

> and farming has come back big time.

Sure. If you're Con-Agra!

You are being very romantic about an area that shouldn't
be romantic about.

> There are two entirely 
>different worlds going on.

Go there and then we'll talk about it.
Don't depend on liars you are emailing.

"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message 
news:slrnfq3kc9.j9a.kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu...
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:49:19 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>no where Karen have I seen negative changes as much as in the NE.
>
> Just read some history. Don't you have a lot of free
> time???
>
> It might help you understand how recent "negative changes" that
> you are so worried about are nothing compared to living 100-150
> years ago before there was even dependable electrical service
> for instance. You or I can't even imagine living in that
> kind of environment. I mean we freak out when we lose
> power in storms. Imagine not having electric power as a way-of-life!
> Where if you were lucky all you did have was gas for lighting.
>
this is true so its a matter of accepting your cup half full or half empty
I would rather compare to every city in the US today, only because thats a 
better real comparison one can hope to have.

>> Many
>>people from midwest talk as if none of this is happening.
>
> Given that I have friends in  Nebraska I can tell you that
> their frame of reference is indeed different than our
> own but that doesn't mean that they are free from
> modern problems like drug addiction. It's just that they
> don't smoke crack, they use crystal meth and alcohol.
> And the "decent world" you think exists out there is
> illusionary.

You might think differently someday .There are variable changing conditions 
in the US cities . To some extent we have people who base reality only on 
the cities where they exist and make conclusions. . You might have a panel 
of people on PBS talk about people not trusting anyone anymore and crime  in 
another city they talk about how to get solar energy into more homes and 
celebrations, not how many people were killed.
I was watching a news feed from Britain and they were talking about one 
murder as if this was unusual and it top story. There was nothing unusual 
about it although very sad all the time it happens. But this one murder had 
no special politician or famous person connected, they reported it most 
likely because it happens so unoften. Can you imagine ABC starting their 
program about a murder in Missippi without a more urgent correlation besides 
just a murder?
So you see reality is very contrasting and some people live very much better 
lives , pollution is just one variable and an important one that already 
affected everyone more then others who didn't . You might not be sick and 
you might not die but I can guarantee heredity has less impact then you 
think compared to pollution  and those people who ate the same healthy 
things generally speaking in clean air always perform better and are 
healthier then people who don't. How much so is the unbelivable factor.
>
>> 

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:09:53 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message 

>> Just read some history. Don't you have a lot of free
>> time???
>>
>> It might help you understand how recent "negative changes" that
>> you are so worried about are nothing compared to living 100-150
>> years ago before there was even dependable electrical service
>> for instance. You or I can't even imagine living in that
>> kind of environment. I mean we freak out when we lose
>> power in storms. Imagine not having electric power as a way-of-life!
>> Where if you were lucky all you did have was gas for lighting.
>>
>this is true

Yes, it's true. Just like it's true that in the not too distant past,
every year, people were terrified of polio epidemics. I'm old
enough that I can remember the last big polio outbreak we had
in the 1950s before the Salk vaccine was out. Do you ever think
about polio now? No. I rarely think about it either which is 
remarkable since I remember quite  vividly the fear it used
to create.

Imagine a time when we had no antibiotics where a scratch could
mean death. Although we've over-used them, with the result being
that some bacteria have evolved to be resistant to them, I still
DO NOT want to live in the world my grand-parents grew up in where
they didn't exist.
 
> so its a matter of accepting your cup half full or half empty

All I'm suggesting is that you try to compare today with what
the past was really like without trying to romanticize
that past. 

You mentioned that it used to snow a lot in Phila. The inference
being that you were worried about that as a sure sign
of global warming.

 Sure it
has snowed a lot in some years. But I read something very interesting
today concerning local snow amounts in January: there have
been 20 Januarys, since 1885, where we've had an ONE inch or less
of snow. So you see not having much snow isn't that unusual.
And I remember the winter in the early 70s where we
had NO snow at all. So you've manufactured fear and worry
about the lack of local snow when there's no reason to
actually worry about it.

>I would rather compare to every city in the US today,

Like you've spent sufficient time in *every* large
city in the US today to make a sensible comparison
between any of them. You have to *live* in them
to say anything sensible and real about any of them and not
trust what some "news" reporter or somesuch
says. 

>>> Many
>>>people from midwest talk as if none of this is happening.
>>
>> Given that I have friends in  Nebraska I can tell you that
>> their frame of reference is indeed different than our
>> own but that doesn't mean that they are free from
>> modern problems like drug addiction. It's just that they
>> don't smoke crack, they use crystal meth and alcohol.
>> And the "decent world" you think exists out there is
>> illusionary.
>
>You might think differently someday .

I doubt it.

Steve, I've been to these places out in Plains and Mid-west:
Scottsbluff, Gering, Alliance, Lincoln, and Omaha, Nebraska.
Torrington and Cheyenne, Wyoming. Denver, CO. Oklahoma
City, OK. Lawrence, KS. and Sioux City, IA.

Where have you been out there?
 
>There are variable changing conditions 
>in the US cities . 

True. But this is just generalizing.

>To some extent we have people who base reality only on 
>the cities where they exist and make conclusions.

Of course! You're doing it all the time by accusing 
Phila. of being completely dysfunctional by ignoring that it's
only dysfunctional for people who are actually dysfunctional 
*themselves*. They'd be fucked up no matter where they
were.

>I was watching a news feed from Britain and they were talking about one 
>murder as if this was unusual and it top story.

It's hard for private citizens to get guns in Britain. That's
the difference. But the number of people getting guns there is
increasing. 
 
>So you see reality is very contrasting and some people live very much better 
>lives , 

Sure they are. What separates you and me, obviously, is that I'm
doing exactly the latter right here.

>I can guarantee heredity has less impact then you 
>think compared to pollution

I don't believe that at all. We already know that DNA
differs in individuals. Why can I breathe essentially the same
air as you and never suffer any respiratory illnesses?
I'm almost 60 years old. If the air was going to sicken
me it would have by now.

"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message 
news:slrnfq64dg.j4m.kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu...
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:09:53 GMT, dfte <steknospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message
>
>>> Just read some history. Don't you have a lot of free
>>> time???
>>>
>>> It might help you understand how recent "negative changes" that
>>> you are so worried about are nothing compared to living 100-150
>>> years ago before there was even dependable electrical service
>>> for instance. You or I can't even imagine living in that
>>> kind of environment. I mean we freak out when we lose
>>> power in storms. Imagine not having electric power as a way-of-life!
>>> Where if you were lucky all you did have was gas for lighting.
>>>
>>this is true
>
> Yes, it's true. Just like it's true that in the not too distant past,
> every year, people were terrified of polio epidemics. I'm old
> enough that I can remember the last big polio outbreak we had
> in the 1950s before the Salk vaccine was out. Do you ever think
> about polio now? No. I rarely think about it either which is
> remarkable since I remember quite  vividly the fear it used
> to create.
>
> Imagine a time when we had no antibiotics where a scratch could
> mean death. Although we've over-used them, with the result being
> that some bacteria have evolved to be resistant to them, I still
> DO NOT want to live in the world my grand-parents grew up in where
> they didn't exist.
>
>> so its a matter of accepting your cup half full or half empty
>
> All I'm suggesting is that you try to compare today with what
> the past was really like without trying to romanticize
> that past.
>
> You mentioned that it used to snow a lot in Phila. The inference
> being that you were worried about that as a sure sign
> of global warming.
>
> Sure it
> has snowed a lot in some years. But I read something very interesting
> today concerning local snow amounts in January: there have
> been 20 Januarys, since 1885, where we've had an ONE inch or less
> of snow. So you see not having much snow isn't that unusual.
> And I remember the winter in the early 70s where we
> had NO snow at all. So you've manufactured fear and worry
> about the lack of local snow when there's no reason to
> actually worry about it.
>
>>I would rather compare to every city in the US today,
>
> Like you've spent sufficient time in *every* large
> city in the US today to make a sensible comparison
> between any of them. You have to *live* in them
> to say anything sensible and real about any of them and not
> trust what some "news" reporter or somesuch
> says.
>
>>>> Many
>>>>people from midwest talk as if none of this is happening.
>>>
>>> Given that I have friends in  Nebraska I can tell you that
>>> their frame of reference is indeed different than our
>>> own but that doesn't mean that they are free from
>>> modern problems like drug addiction. It's just that they
>>> don't smoke crack, they use crystal meth and alcohol.
>>> And the "decent world" you think exists out there is
>>> illusionary.
>>
>>You might think differently someday .
>
> I doubt it.
>
> Steve, I've been to these places out in Plains and Mid-west:
> Scottsbluff, Gering, Alliance, Lincoln, and Omaha, Nebraska.
> Torrington and Cheyenne, Wyoming. Denver, CO. Oklahoma
> City, OK. Lawrence, KS. and Sioux City, IA.
>
> Where have you been out there?
>
>>There are variable changing conditions
>>in the US cities .
>
> True. But this is just generalizing.
>
>>To some extent we have people who base reality only on
>>the cities where they exist and make conclusions.
>
> Of course! You're doing it all the time by accusing
> Phila. of being completely dysfunctional by ignoring that it's
> only dysfunctional for people who are actually dysfunctional
> *themselves*. They'd be fucked up no matter where they
> were.
>
>>I was watching a news feed from Britain and they were talking about one
>>murder as if this was unusual and it top story.
>
> It's hard for private citizens to get guns in Britain. That's
> the difference. But the number of people getting guns there is
> increasing.
>
>>So you see reality is very contrasting and some people live very much 
>>better
>>lives ,
>
> Sure they are. What separates you and me, obviously, is that I'm
> doing exactly the latter right here.
>
>>I can guarantee heredity has less impact then you
>>think compared to pollution
>
> I don't believe that at all. We already know that DNA
> differs in individuals. Why can I breathe essentially the same
> air as you and never suffer any respiratory illnesses?
> I'm almost 60 years old. If the air was going to sicken
> me it would have by now.
>
Karen you work for hospitals, and must know that everything in body is 
connected. The thought it generated over and over again in text books. It 
might not affect you the way it affects me, but we do have ways to 
objectively judge danger, how can you ignore all the negative ratings to our 
health from f rated to sperlings list of cities low rating, to number one 
for asthma and respiratory deaths from a universtiy study by the way in 
Philadelphi ( I think it was Temple) and of course anyone can read the links 
to the damages our major news ignores. I am telling you with absolute 
certainty that the people who breathed air without it being good the most or 
who had the most pollution ( either one) suffer way more for lots of lost 
health reasons then people who had good air and both populations ate the 
same healthy things. We just heard about kids right outside Phily with 
whopping cough? Why dont' we compare the particulate pollution ratings for 
that are the past ten days? I will tell you it was not good, and compare 
that to the people who got good air? No whooping cough there? Sure you might 
find whooping cough in clean air but gernally speaking over and over again 
the people who get sick the most are in areas they are not being told they 
are getting sick the most and those area happen to be the most polluted. 
This is the most unbelievable things that are allowed to sicken and harm 
people and we are not told enmass or stop it from happening to the people 
who get it the most.  and you think you would know its more then my reaction 
and your reaction

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:30:29 GMT, tfsl <tfslnospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Karen you work for hospitals,

No, I don't. I told you this before. I work for Penn's
School of Medicine. The med school is connected to the Penn Health system
but they're separate institutions as far as employees go.

> and must know that everything in body is 
>connected. 

Sure, I do. That's why I'm saying one's DNA plays a huge role in the
outcome of ones' life.  

The discussion of just what role environment plays in someone's
life is still being debated. But, it seems, that Nature is winning
over Nuture and what you are born with determines a lot
of how you eventually turn out.

> It 
>might not affect you the way it affects me, 

It's obvious it doesn't; I'm not sick.

>but we do have ways to 
>objectively judge danger, how can you ignore all the negative ratings to our 
>health from f rated to sperlings list of cities low rating,

Look, if they do not apply to *my life* why do I need to belabor what
the ratings say? 

There comes a  time in one's life(because of my age
I'm getting close to that time) when public crusades are
counter-productive. If I have a good quality of life now(I do)
what I need to focus on is keeping that going as long as possible.

Since I don't have the physical issues you do, the world looks
"happier" to me. 
 
> to number one 
>for asthma and respiratory deaths from a universtiy study by the way in 
>Philadelphi ( I think it was Temple) and of course anyone can read the links 
>to the damages our major news ignores.

You know if a lot of Phildelphians would just stop smoking a lot
of those respiratory deaths would disappear.

> We just heard about kids right outside Phily with 
>whopping cough?

I didn't hear about that. But there are a lot of kids today
who haven't had whooping cough vaccine which is inexcusable imo.


> I will tell you it was not good, and compare 
>that to the people who got good air? No whooping cough there?

Whooping cough(pertussis) is *contagious* and is
probably caused by a virus.

> Sure you might 
>find whooping cough in clean air

So now you're deciding that whooping cough is part
of the "particulate" count???