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tell me that the epa and government are protecting me? I never saw such
pollution in one month. Compound that each month and I don't think there is
a chnce in hell humans can compensate for that in lost health and
productivity that has to come from breathing this more then others. This is
about the saddest thing I have ever realized since living in this county
that we are not protected! This is sinful and shameful.. I should love this
country when we can't protect children with this mass poisoning? come lookI
invite any politican or person to see my airfilter from last month.. It
almost looks black.. This is not from a year this is from one month with
hardly two days of good air. Most warning level or so called moderate. If
you think human beings are protected equally you should look at this. There
are no links to compare this level of black soot and there should be. The
effects on human health and kids is almost criminal. This is almost the most
unbelievable conspiracy to not protect some people more then others I have
ever seen. There is a slow holocaust going on in some places. I invite any
politician to look at this filter. This is horrific if you have to live with
all this for years.


birds bees dying, forrests and trees dying. I can't breathe a good 60
percent of the time in my own city..
what kind of evil people do we have running our govt?
Know this more then life itself. If comparisons in health between people who
lived in mostly concentrated polluted areas like Philly ( days and sometimes
months without 24hours of clean air)  and some cities on east coast and they
compared those people to  THOSE WITH CLEAN AIR AND THE TEST
Was VERY THOROUGH , YOU WOULD SEE THE LARGEST CONSPIRACY TO ALLOW POISONING
OF PEOPLE TO GO ON IN THE usa TODAY. PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING PROTECTED. THERE
IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN ALMOST EVERY CONCEIVEABLE CATEGORY of health if
honest tests were done..BETWEEN AREAS
THAT GET CLEAN AIR AND THOSE THAT ARE POISONED AND GET THE WORSE. pollution
: more output in costs to healthcare, to more cancers ( no walk will cure
that), to most asthma, etc. Compare the lung function and stress test of two
contrasting polluted and non polluted cities and you will see that not only
are some people paying more then anything for the costs of gas and
energy...... they then are paying even more to treat the conditons that
pollution causes more then the people who get clean air... A double and
triple whammy that makes their whole lifecycle  one of least production
,outlay of money for energy and doctors and of poison and victims and
illness where some people are not told or protected about the dangers and
the polluters don't have to clean up their mess .




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call it global warming , I call it too much pollution for the earth. Maybe
its more co2, more cars but some places have not had two good air days in
months and it those people who need studies and who need to sue if possible
for I am stating they are getting the consequences of consistent amounts of
air that poison their system and makes my chest wheeze. This is the most
unbelievable killing field, that is allowed to happen and if comparisons
were had I have no doubt would prove that there are great differences
between peoples health solely on the amount of pollution they breathe and
food they eat. When news in this country ignores people being murdered you
know damKnow this more then life itself.the power of the energy companies.
If comparisons in health between
people who
lived in mostly concentrated polluted areas like Philly ( days and sometimes
months without 24hours of clean air)  and some cities on east coast and they
compared those people to  THOSE WITH CLEAN AIR AND THE TEST
Was VERY THOROUGH , YOU WOULD SEE THE LARGEST CONSPIRACY TO ALLOW POISONING
OF PEOPLE TO GO ON IN THE usa TODAY. PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING PROTECTED. THERE
IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN ALMOST EVERY CONCEIVEABLE CATEGORY of health if
honest tests were done..BETWEEN AREAS
THAT GET CLEAN AIR AND THOSE THAT ARE POISONED AND GET THE WORSE. pollution
: more output in costs to healthcare, to more cancers ( no walk will cure
that), to most asthma, etc. Compare the lung function and stress test of two
contrasting polluted and non polluted cities and you will see that not only
are some people paying more then anything for the costs of gas and
energy...... they then are paying even more to treat the conditons that
pollution causes more then the people who get clean air... A double and
triple whammy that makes their whole lifecycle  one of least production
,outlay of money for energy and doctors and of poison and victims and
illness where some people are not told or protected about the dangers and
the polluters don't have to clean up their mess .



When your out in traffic do people look happy? Are people healthy? Have you
read the links to bad health and also the links to pollution major media and
politicians ignores/ ? Even sandy talks about realtiy of air that is often
stagnant. We have more cancers, more heart disease, more morbidity, largest
amount of asthma, and depression, and murders, one after another of
politicans who are on the take,, we need a special court at our stadium, and
a news media and politicians ignoring most all of the most important links
children and families should know and be concerned about. We are breeding
people who fail and then complain afterwards why Philadelphia?
You see all the commercials for healthcare? Its no accident. Think before
you buy a home here and get your family out of one of the biggest
conspiracies to harm people and not tell them why /
its allot of looking away if you expect this city to be next great anything!
In addition to kids and adults not having jobs and many people in poverty
and teachers who can't seem to teach and most amount of depression and
asthma and most days without clean air and murderers walking around (100s)-
in case you can ignore all that , and calling that
"seeing the cup half full " then one wonders what you might call empty lol
or you can rationalize anything. Whats left that is bad to avoid ? lol
Many people here once they realize they can add up the links, should be very
concerned about a conspiracy to allow pollution to harm people without
adequate protection measures or people to tell or warn them. People have a
right to not be happy and just because the damage is slower don't mean its
not harming your familiy!

as for murder; Kids you feel loved in Philadelphia? Do people look happy? I
love the part that murderers are great at avoiding people like you Karen.
Their decision to murder only certain people leaves the rest of us
completely safe right? Like people who murder actually are dependable in
making the right decisions in the first place? lol Keep dreaming and putting
me on ignore.. when you come back to reality you will respond again.


To me Philly is made up of people in denial , who are marginalized by
different interests,,, who are not the best educated and who basically dont'
care what the hell happens even if they spend every cent they got in denial
,beer, Eagles and politics, and doctors and worse jail. ...People around the
US who are smart often think about things entirely different then people
here who get their values based on what the newscasters tell them to think
about. You see action news lately? They look like the grandpa brigade, all
greying before their time. The bottom line is that unless people have power
to change perceptions , which I certainly don't, the few agencies who try to
supercede and make changes to protect people won't have much affect. The
news media has the power to change , and big money and unfortuanetly this is
not something they want to do ,
I was out in traffic today and lets hear a doc tell me that air I was
breathin wasn't harming me lol. To think people put up with this everyday is
beyond comprehension. Its way beyond bad.. its beyond warning. its like
putting your life exposed to mini 9/11 dust each time out there . Of course
many here with investments and homes and businesses will not believe and
rather default to cynicism. (spelling).




But again because people do decide to live here enmass, don't make it
healthy or right or sane. You really don't know what percent know the
ramifications or consequences from pollution Like I think I know of them and
if they did I have to believe many would not choose this area.. Objective
people would default with potential danger for their families.
Have you been up Castor Avenue in the lower Northeast lately, or walked


Yes and the reason they move there and not former Philadelphians or newer
professionals for the most part is because they are clueless to the
ramifications of what goes on with increase risks with the pollution here. I
don't think you could get anyone but poorer people there or people who are
immigrants and don't know any better to live there. To you it might spell
pockets of optimism , to me its sadness as they will ruin their and families
health. But like I asked you before if the overall consequences is as
damaging as I say, don't you think its a waste of life and time to open up
stores here? Who would warn families here and why? What studies prove its
not dangerous to live here? Anyone? . People might open stores but to assume
revitalization or future with so many negatives is not sane.
All of these people are Philly's future. If the recent election results are
any guide, they're not tied into the thinking of the past -- and I share
your generally low opinion of the thinking many native Philadelphians
demonstrate. victims know their assailants.

Yes but that doesn't mean who they murder or effect is limited to who they
select. To pull the trigger in the first place puts an inordinate amount of
stupidity and dysfunction in the decision making process . I can't possibly
feel better off these people who risk their own life and others by shooting
someone will be able to make the right decisions in the future. Who they
shoot or decide to shoot nextime doesn't make me feel particularily safe..
sorry. In the past they already made the most horrific , poorest decision
one can possibly make by deciding to murder, it was already one of the most
horrific , poorest decisions of their life. I certainly don't feel safer to
think they are ever going to be worth being near.. Quite the contrary I feel
much more in danger and for good reason. These peoples temper tend to go off
obviously way too fast .

That's another reason why violent crime is worrisome but not enough to steer
people away from an entire city if that city has areas with sufficient
amenities and low violent crime. Bad SCHOOLS will matter more than bad
murder rates and bad air PUT TOGETHER in steering a middle-class family with
children away from a large city; childless affluent folks, OTOH, don't have
to worry about the schools, so they can and have repopulated our urban
cores, including that of Philadelphia.

. Will people decide in a family that murder and pollution are things to
overlook in deferrence to good schools and lower tax? ? Yes, SOME . Will
people smoke and eat a double whopper every other day? Yes. So that don't
make it right or vital or the next greatest decision or city I assure you. I
strongly disagree what smart people want in the way of living conditions
today.I have talked to enough people to think they understand more then
others what itsike to do the right things for their families and they know
that consistently getting their family in good air could be the difference
between a successful life and a failed one. Thats how polluted it is ,
especially here in Philly
. I was out there today and to think people have to breathe this mess so
often with particulate pollution in the hundreds and not affect them... its
almost incredible. To me its no wonder things negatively happen here.


. I just don't find allot of people born here who moved away... coming back.
Many people I know moved and never came back. Get a clue listen to the
stats, listen to the commercials, listen to the numbers of people depressed,
sick and cold and who make fun of important things. Why in anyones right
mind would you give your family bad air to breathe and all the other links I
gave to go with it.




into play, and that's partly because urbanization itself is a major
contributor to bad air.

Yes I understand that.. but I also understand other cities are doing much
more. I also understand many people like you who want to do the rightthings
might underestimate the damage. I come on here specifically not to down the
city but to warn people what is happening, people who may never comment but
act with the knowledge I created to find a better place to live then PHILLY
or to seek more infor for them to decide for themselves.


If your city is not so lucky as to be continually and frequently cleansed by
prevailing winds that blow unpolluted air in, the pollution generated in the
city will stay there.

Yes yes yes. and some people will want cleaner air and some people will at
least want to know the risks/ but your reality is not what most
philadelphians want to hear.

. Its also why more should be done in this region then in other regions.. to
counter the things we don't have.



. Emission controls, changing our busses, cabs, etc, would be a start. to
changes needed

e is made worse by the fact that we are downwind of the Ohio Valley and its
coal-burning power plants. Yes, garofalofan, air quality is something that
should be handled by the state -- of Ohio as well as Pennsylvania.

Again I don't disagree, so perhaps we need more lawyers to do more to make
sure they clean up their own mess from coal out west which is part of the
solution discussed allot but not much done about it.

It's something in the air around here.[/quote] I had to cut your part about
needing meds (sorry) because of word limitiations

Bingo, and i say to you what I say to Garo, get your loved ones to cleaner
air and make darn sure its cleaner and give your life a chance. I also
suggest you use your writing skills to ask doctors for the comparisions
between people who lived here for long time versus people in clean air for
things like lung function and stress tests and asthma use ( we know its no
accident by now some here need these meds). [/quote]

More and more links to particle pollution from coal and death do your own
search for particulates and disease  here is another.
Remember Philly gets more days of this then most everyone and you wonder if
your not being set up by your own govt and they are not killing you?


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> Its one thing to feel the air as heavy. It one thing to see the trees
>> falling down. Its another to have hard time breathin. Its another to
>> connect the dots and see what pollution has and is doing to people in
>> this
>> area . On good air days I see people happy , out and about, its totally
>> refreshing. On the majority of bad air days I see no one in parks, no
>> happiness, people just exist. This is just my reaction. On the other hand
>> allot of my assertions have more proof.
>> compared to other areas.. To see relatives  suffer and lose their health
>> especially on bad air days and others and they simply think its because
>> of
>> some illness not because of particulates is especially depressing, in
>> fact
>> very much so.. They think its something inherindtly wrong with them. Its
>> another to see the F ratings by American Cancer Association. Its another
>> thing to see commercial after commercial for hospitals , and nebulizers
>> offering free all in one packaging to your door, drugs to treat asthma,
>> prescriptions for heart disease and cancer and not a concern or wonder
>> why
>> people need them or how much so compared to other places . Its another to
>> see one in five in area kids need asthma meds so early This is the
>> biggest
>> mass poisoning going on in the US and .. congress and no one can't stop
>> this murder? Its one thing to have links and ask for more studies when
>> the
>> polluters don't have to worry cause the President makes special rules for
>> them? What is going on here?  Being poisoned is the American WAY. Tell
>> everyone you know this is really happening. in USA. When you lose your
>> health there is no going back. I assert we don't have to live this way if
>> in this day and age in the greatest country in the world to people who
>> thru no fault of themselves will have to suffer greatly and I am making
>> that assertion , many people will suffer greatly in direct proportion to
>> the degree of pollution they are made to get.
>
> "mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:xJE4h.2112$9t4.1810@trnddc03...
>> why because they can, they hve role models our leaders
>>> It seems like this exact science where they make you pay for your life
>>> by
>>> charging you fifty cents to eat sodium laden food and then charge you
>>> $1.50
>>> to buy the same can of soup without salt. , that same mentality hs
>>> filtered
>>> down to pollution. Where the dumb and poor or working class in some
>>> cities get the worse air, most pollution
>>> and illness and thats the status Quo for millions of people. The most
>>> vulnerable or people who are not aware are allowed to get murdered and
>>> they
>>> have to pay for it to  corporations who get away with murdering you
>>> because they can and have others in place to further capitalize after
>>> they poison you like TV news , hospitals and pharmacies.  . Sorry you
>>> will have to move and sell your home and quit
>>> your job to get out of the way from our poisons because we can get
>>> special
>>> treatment to poison you and make it where you can't sue us, and  you pay
>>> for your poisoning cause you don't
>>> know or refuse to move. This is your fault?  Where are the lawyers?
>>> why would you think if they can go over faulty car seat recalls they
>>> wouldn't publish connections between pollution and tens of thousands of
>>> deaths from it in US? Ask yourself that question
>>> in US Now really. Tell others write to Congress This is really really
>>> happening.
>>>
>>>
>>>> when everything else is the same like diet and shelter and health care
>>>> the
>>>> differences I attest between longer life and better health is air
>>>> pollution.
>>>> How many people know its not necessarily anyones illness that causes
>>>> their
>>>> expenses. Its gov policies that know more nOW about the affects of
>>>> particulates, analyzes it and even warns people but does nothing to
>>>> stop
>>>> it
>>>> now. This is way more important then terrorists. This is way more
>>>> likely
>>>> to
>>>> affect Americans now, then terrorists and nothing is done to stop it
>>>> faster.
>>>> People will lose their life simply because corporations need to make a
>>>> profit and if tv media doesn't tell you they can get away with it.
>>>> please write me at mcsantipollution@yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com>
>>>> Newsgroups: alt.lawyers,ca.politics,ny.politics.,nj.politics
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:05 AM
>>>> Subject: People in NE SE being poisoned by Particulates
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Congress needs to act now, not in ten years , I dare anyone to compare
>>>>> health stats between the most polluted areas or moderate polluted
>>>>> areas
>>>>> versus clean areas of the country . You are being poisoned, Yahoo, at
>>>>> times
>>>>> blocks my messages, News media completely ignores all connections to
>>>>> pollutions damage , while your family often has ( get this ) almost
>>>>> twice
>>>>> the cancer rates and twic the heart disease rates, where the hospitals
>>>>> are
>>>>> in friendzy to get your business spending tens of millions of dollars
>>>>> for
>>>>> heart treatment ads on tv and newspapers  and cancer treatment but MUM
>>>>> why you might need them more
>>>>> then in other places. This is mass poisoning going on in our society,
>>>>> whether its because of global warming or more gasses but its
>>>>> happening.
>>>>> There are many other links , I desperate to tell as many as you as
>>>>> possible,
>>>>> the best athletes in the world, the richest know all this, its common
>>>>> knowledge, the working class has to pay for damages brough on by big
>>>>> business who would literally kill you then to tell you the truth or do
>>>>> more
>>>>> now to help negate the polluters. This is your life there is no going
>>>>> back
>>>>> and in state courts the anti polluters have won but its not enough. In
>>>>> Supreme Court which is swayed by Republicans they are going to tackle
>>>>> issue
>>>>> whether polluters can be sued. Why they get special protection only
>>>>> shows
>>>>> what damage they are allowed to do and make billions at same time.
>>>>> Republicans and Bush have sabotaged findings by our own epa to help
>>>>> dissipate our most ardent polluters.. Thus the pollution that they
>>>>> call
>>>>> moderate will sicken millions of people. This the press doesn't care
>>>>> to
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you about. This is mass poisoning , because we know better. I realize
>>>>> when
>>>>> they say Global warming, its a buzz word for not doing anything about
>>>>> pollution. but still acknowledging the findings of some experts of its
>>>>> ramifications of more gasses. Tell others. protect your family. Its
>>>>> probably
>>>>> too late for me, this is one of the most important issues in your
>>>>> life,
>>>>> not
>>>>> taxes, not even education. this is your families health, where they
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you
>>>>> people are living longer but in what condition and IN ONLY certain
>>>>> areas...
>>>>> From Philadelphia to Sandy Hook, from Se to Newark, many days more
>>>>> then
>>>>> most, you get particulates that kill every cell in your body faster.
>>>>> Please tell your families to be concerned about this, to write
>>>>> Congress
>>>>> and Newsmedia to demand that they go over this issue
>>>>>The people who set these policies, thinks the costs of killing people
>>>>>is
>>>>>worth the extra earnings. This kind of warped value systems filters
>>>>>down
>>>>>in
>>>>>our value system and we ultimately lose our ability to do better and
>>>>>rationalize.
>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101616.html
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15196924/
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_sc/un_greenhouse_gases
>>>>
>>>> The TV NEWS   ignore it because they don't want to scare people and
>>>> they
>>>> don't want to lose advertising from Hospitals and phamracies
>>> So before you trust tv to tell you the truth think again.
>>>
>>>> This is our value system gone amouck
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally when they say people are living longer and richer its not always
>>> true. They take the total picture and sum it up. individual states and
>>> cities are being bombarded with pollutants and may I suggest the rate of
>>> poisoning if it could be proved on a ration basis  is more now then five
>>> years ago in some areas on NE, thats a huge assertion but one I think
>>> honestly is accurate.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>








n well the power of the energy companies




Know this more then life itself. If comparisons in health between people who
lived in mostly concentrated polluted areas like Philly ( days and sometimes
months without 24hours of clean air)  and some cities on east coast and they
compared those people to  THOSE WITH CLEAN AIR AND THE TEST
Was VERY THOROUGH , YOU WOULD SEE THE LARGEST CONSPIRACY TO ALLOW POISONING
OF PEOPLE TO GO ON IN THE usa TODAY. PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING PROTECTED. THERE
IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN ALMOST EVERY CONCEIVEABLE CATEGORY of health if
honest tests were done..BETWEEN AREAS
THAT GET CLEAN AIR AND THOSE THAT ARE POISONED AND GET THE WORSE. pollution
: more output in costs to healthcare, to more cancers ( no walk will cure
that), to most asthma, etc. Compare the lung function and stress test of two
contrasting polluted and non polluted cities and you will see that not only
are some people paying more then anything for the costs of gas and
energy...... they then are paying even more to treat the conditons that
pollution causes more then the people who get clean air... A double and
triple whammy that makes their whole lifecycle  one of least production
,outlay of money for energy and doctors and of poison and victims and
illness where some people are not told or protected about the dangers and
the polluters don't have to clean up their mess .



When your out in traffic do people look happy? Are people healthy? Have you
read the links to bad health and also the links to pollution major media and
politicians ignores/ ? Even sandy talks about realtiy of air that is often
stagnant. We have more cancers, more heart disease, more morbidity, largest
amount of asthma, and depression, and murders, one after another of
politicans who are on the take,, we need a special court at our stadium, and
a news media and politicians ignoring most all of the most important links
children and families should know and be concerned about. We are breeding
people who fail and then complain afterwards why Philadelphia?
You see all the commercials for healthcare? Its no accident. Think before
you buy a home here and get your family out of one of the biggest
conspiracies to harm people and not tell them why /
its allot of looking away if you expect this city to be next great anything!
In addition to kids and adults not having jobs and many people in poverty
and teachers who can't seem to teach and most amount of depression and
asthma and most days without clean air and murderers walking around (100s)-
in case you can ignore all that , and calling that
"seeing the cup half full " then one wonders what you might call empty lol
or you can rationalize anything. Whats left that is bad to avoid ? lol
Many people here once they realize they can add up the links, should be very
concerned about a conspiracy to allow pollution to harm people without
adequate protection measures or people to tell or warn them. People have a
right to not be happy and just because the damage is slower don't mean its
not harming your familiy!

as for murder; Kids you feel loved in Philadelphia? Do people look happy? I
love the part that murderers are great at avoiding people like you Karen.
Their decision to murder only certain people leaves the rest of us
completely safe right? Like people who murder actually are dependable in
making the right decisions in the first place? lol Keep dreaming and putting
me on ignore.. when you come back to reality you will respond again.


To me Philly is made up of people in denial , who are marginalized by
different interests,,, who are not the best educated and who basically dont'
care what the hell happens even if they spend every cent they got in denial
,beer, Eagles and politics, and doctors and worse jail. ...People around the
US who are smart often think about things entirely different then people
here who get their values based on what the newscasters tell them to think
about. You see action news lately? They look like the grandpa brigade, all
greying before their time. The bottom line is that unless people have power
to change perceptions , which I certainly don't, the few agencies who try to
supercede and make changes to protect people won't have much affect. The
news media has the power to change , and big money and unfortuanetly this is
not something they want to do ,
I was out in traffic today and lets hear a doc tell me that air I was
breathin wasn't harming me lol. To think people put up with this everyday is
beyond comprehension. Its way beyond bad.. its beyond warning. its like
putting your life exposed to mini 9/11 dust each time out there . Of course
many here with investments and homes and businesses will not believe and
rather default to cynicism. (spelling).




But again because people do decide to live here enmass, don't make it
healthy or right or sane. You really don't know what percent know the
ramifications or consequences from pollution Like I think I know of them and
if they did I have to believe many would not choose this area.. Objective
people would default with potential danger for their families.
Have you been up Castor Avenue in the lower Northeast lately, or walked


Yes and the reason they move there and not former Philadelphians or newer
professionals for the most part is because they are clueless to the
ramifications of what goes on with increase risks with the pollution here. I
don't think you could get anyone but poorer people there or people who are
immigrants and don't know any better to live there. To you it might spell
pockets of optimism , to me its sadness as they will ruin their and families
health. But like I asked you before if the overall consequences is as
damaging as I say, don't you think its a waste of life and time to open up
stores here? Who would warn families here and why? What studies prove its
not dangerous to live here? Anyone? . People might open stores but to assume
revitalization or future with so many negatives is not sane.
All of these people are Philly's future. If the recent election results are
any guide, they're not tied into the thinking of the past -- and I share
your generally low opinion of the thinking many native Philadelphians
demonstrate. victims know their assailants.

Yes but that doesn't mean who they murder or effect is limited to who they
select. To pull the trigger in the first place puts an inordinate amount of
stupidity and dysfunction in the decision making process . I can't possibly
feel better off these people who risk their own life and others by shooting
someone will be able to make the right decisions in the future. Who they
shoot or decide to shoot nextime doesn't make me feel particularily safe..
sorry. In the past they already made the most horrific , poorest decision
one can possibly make by deciding to murder, it was already one of the most
horrific , poorest decisions of their life. I certainly don't feel safer to
think they are ever going to be worth being near.. Quite the contrary I feel
much more in danger and for good reason. These peoples temper tend to go off
obviously way too fast .

That's another reason why violent crime is worrisome but not enough to steer
people away from an entire city if that city has areas with sufficient
amenities and low violent crime. Bad SCHOOLS will matter more than bad
murder rates and bad air PUT TOGETHER in steering a middle-class family with
children away from a large city; childless affluent folks, OTOH, don't have
to worry about the schools, so they can and have repopulated our urban
cores, including that of Philadelphia.

. Will people decide in a family that murder and pollution are things to
overlook in deferrence to good schools and lower tax? ? Yes, SOME . Will
people smoke and eat a double whopper every other day? Yes. So that don't
make it right or vital or the next greatest decision or city I assure you. I
strongly disagree what smart people want in the way of living conditions
today.I have talked to enough people to think they understand more then
others what itsike to do the right things for their families and they know
that consistently getting their family in good air could be the difference
between a successful life and a failed one. Thats how polluted it is ,
especially here in Philly
. I was out there today and to think people have to breathe this mess so
often with particulate pollution in the hundreds and not affect them... its
almost incredible. To me its no wonder things negatively happen here.


. I just don't find allot of people born here who moved away... coming back.
Many people I know moved and never came back. Get a clue listen to the
stats, listen to the commercials, listen to the numbers of people depressed,
sick and cold and who make fun of important things. Why in anyones right
mind would you give your family bad air to breathe and all the other links I
gave to go with it.




into play, and that's partly because urbanization itself is a major
contributor to bad air.

Yes I understand that.. but I also understand other cities are doing much
more. I also understand many people like you who want to do the rightthings
might underestimate the damage. I come on here specifically not to down the
city but to warn people what is happening, people who may never comment but
act with the knowledge I created to find a better place to live then PHILLY
or to seek more infor for them to decide for themselves.


If your city is not so lucky as to be continually and frequently cleansed by
prevailing winds that blow unpolluted air in, the pollution generated in the
city will stay there.

Yes yes yes. and some people will want cleaner air and some people will at
least want to know the risks/ but your reality is not what most
philadelphians want to hear.

. Its also why more should be done in this region then in other regions.. to
counter the things we don't have.



. Emission controls, changing our busses, cabs, etc, would be a start. to
changes needed

e is made worse by the fact that we are downwind of the Ohio Valley and its
coal-burning power plants. Yes, garofalofan, air quality is something that
should be handled by the state -- of Ohio as well as Pennsylvania.

Again I don't disagree, so perhaps we need more lawyers to do more to make
sure they clean up their own mess from coal out west which is part of the
solution discussed allot but not much done about it.

It's something in the air around here.[/quote] I had to cut your part about
needing meds (sorry) because of word limitiations

Bingo, and i say to you what I say to Garo, get your loved ones to cleaner
air and make darn sure its cleaner and give your life a chance. I also
suggest you use your writing skills to ask doctors for the comparisions
between people who lived here for long time versus people in clean air for
things like lung function and stress tests and asthma use ( we know its no
accident by now some here need these meds). [/quote]

More and more links to particle pollution from coal and death do your own
search for particulates and disease  here is another.
Remember Philly gets more days of this then most everyone and you wonder if
your not being set up by your own govt and they are not killing you?


http://www.kait8.com/Global/story.asp?S=4935559


> Its one thing to feel the air as heavy. It one thing to see the trees
>> falling down. Its another to have hard time breathin. Its another to
>> connect the dots and see what pollution has and is doing to people in
>> this
>> area . On good air days I see people happy , out and about, its totally
>> refreshing. On the majority of bad air days I see no one in parks, no
>> happiness, people just exist. This is just my reaction. On the other hand
>> allot of my assertions have more proof.
>> compared to other areas.. To see relatives  suffer and lose their health
>> especially on bad air days and others and they simply think its because
>> of
>> some illness not because of particulates is especially depressing, in
>> fact
>> very much so.. They think its something inherindtly wrong with them. Its
>> another to see the F ratings by American Cancer Association. Its another
>> thing to see commercial after commercial for hospitals , and nebulizers
>> offering free all in one packaging to your door, drugs to treat asthma,
>> prescriptions for heart disease and cancer and not a concern or wonder
>> why
>> people need them or how much so compared to other places . Its another to
>> see one in five in area kids need asthma meds so early This is the
>> biggest
>> mass poisoning going on in the US and .. congress and no one can't stop
>> this murder? Its one thing to have links and ask for more studies when
>> the
>> polluters don't have to worry cause the President makes special rules for
>> them? What is going on here?  Being poisoned is the American WAY. Tell
>> everyone you know this is really happening. in USA. When you lose your
>> health there is no going back. I assert we don't have to live this way if
>> in this day and age in the greatest country in the world to people who
>> thru no fault of themselves will have to suffer greatly and I am making
>> that assertion , many people will suffer greatly in direct proportion to
>> the degree of pollution they are made to get.
>
> "mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:xJE4h.2112$9t4.1810@trnddc03...
>> why because they can, they hve role models our leaders
>>> It seems like this exact science where they make you pay for your life
>>> by
>>> charging you fifty cents to eat sodium laden food and then charge you
>>> $1.50
>>> to buy the same can of soup without salt. , that same mentality hs
>>> filtered
>>> down to pollution. Where the dumb and poor or working class in some
>>> cities get the worse air, most pollution
>>> and illness and thats the status Quo for millions of people. The most
>>> vulnerable or people who are not aware are allowed to get murdered and
>>> they
>>> have to pay for it to  corporations who get away with murdering you
>>> because they can and have others in place to further capitalize after
>>> they poison you like TV news , hospitals and pharmacies.  . Sorry you
>>> will have to move and sell your home and quit
>>> your job to get out of the way from our poisons because we can get
>>> special
>>> treatment to poison you and make it where you can't sue us, and  you pay
>>> for your poisoning cause you don't
>>> know or refuse to move. This is your fault?  Where are the lawyers?
>>> why would you think if they can go over faulty car seat recalls they
>>> wouldn't publish connections between pollution and tens of thousands of
>>> deaths from it in US? Ask yourself that question
>>> in US Now really. Tell others write to Congress This is really really
>>> happening.
>>>
>>>
>>>> when everything else is the same like diet and shelter and health care
>>>> the
>>>> differences I attest between longer life and better health is air
>>>> pollution.
>>>> How many people know its not necessarily anyones illness that causes
>>>> their
>>>> expenses. Its gov policies that know more nOW about the affects of
>>>> particulates, analyzes it and even warns people but does nothing to
>>>> stop
>>>> it
>>>> now. This is way more important then terrorists. This is way more
>>>> likely
>>>> to
>>>> affect Americans now, then terrorists and nothing is done to stop it
>>>> faster.
>>>> People will lose their life simply because corporations need to make a
>>>> profit and if tv media doesn't tell you they can get away with it.
>>>> please write me at mcsantipollution@yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com>
>>>> Newsgroups: alt.lawyers,ca.politics,ny.politics.,nj.politics
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:05 AM
>>>> Subject: People in NE SE being poisoned by Particulates
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Congress needs to act now, not in ten years , I dare anyone to compare
>>>>> health stats between the most polluted areas or moderate polluted
>>>>> areas
>>>>> versus clean areas of the country . You are being poisoned, Yahoo, at
>>>>> times
>>>>> blocks my messages, News media completely ignores all connections to
>>>>> pollutions damage , while your family often has ( get this ) almost
>>>>> twice
>>>>> the cancer rates and twic the heart disease rates, where the hospitals
>>>>> are
>>>>> in friendzy to get your business spending tens of millions of dollars
>>>>> for
>>>>> heart treatment ads on tv and newspapers  and cancer treatment but MUM
>>>>> why you might need them more
>>>>> then in other places. This is mass poisoning going on in our society,
>>>>> whether its because of global warming or more gasses but its
>>>>> happening.
>>>>> There are many other links , I desperate to tell as many as you as
>>>>> possible,
>>>>> the best athletes in the world, the richest know all this, its common
>>>>> knowledge, the working class has to pay for damages brough on by big
>>>>> business who would literally kill you then to tell you the truth or do
>>>>> more
>>>>> now to help negate the polluters. This is your life there is no going
>>>>> back
>>>>> and in state courts the anti polluters have won but its not enough. In
>>>>> Supreme Court which is swayed by Republicans they are going to tackle
>>>>> issue
>>>>> whether polluters can be sued. Why they get special protection only
>>>>> shows
>>>>> what damage they are allowed to do and make billions at same time.
>>>>> Republicans and Bush have sabotaged findings by our own epa to help
>>>>> dissipate our most ardent polluters.. Thus the pollution that they
>>>>> call
>>>>> moderate will sicken millions of people. This the press doesn't care
>>>>> to
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you about. This is mass poisoning , because we know better. I realize
>>>>> when
>>>>> they say Global warming, its a buzz word for not doing anything about
>>>>> pollution. but still acknowledging the findings of some experts of its
>>>>> ramifications of more gasses. Tell others. protect your family. Its
>>>>> probably
>>>>> too late for me, this is one of the most important issues in your
>>>>> life,
>>>>> not
>>>>> taxes, not even education. this is your families health, where they
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you
>>>>> people are living longer but in what condition and IN ONLY certain
>>>>> areas...
>>>>> From Philadelphia to Sandy Hook, from Se to Newark, many days more
>>>>> then
>>>>> most, you get particulates that kill every cell in your body faster.
>>>>> Please tell your families to be concerned about this, to write
>>>>> Congress
>>>>> and Newsmedia to demand that they go over this issue
>>>>>The people who set these policies, thinks the costs of killing people
>>>>>is
>>>>>worth the extra earnings. This kind of warped value systems filters
>>>>>down
>>>>>in
>>>>>our value system and we ultimately lose our ability to do better and
>>>>>rationalize.
>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101616.html
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15196924/
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_sc/un_greenhouse_gases
>>>>
>>>> The TV NEWS   ignore it because they don't want to scare people and
>>>> they
>>>> don't want to lose advertising from Hospitals and phamracies
>>> So before you trust tv to tell you the truth think again.
>>>
>>>> This is our value system gone amouck
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally when they say people are living longer and richer its not always
>>> true. They take the total picture and sum it up. individual states and
>>> cities are being bombarded with pollutants and may I suggest the rate of
>>> poisoning if it could be proved on a ration basis  is more now then five
>>> years ago in some areas on NE, thats a huge assertion but one I think
>>> honestly is accurate.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>











 at this, the most unbelievable accumualation of soot and pollution I have
ever seen. Constricted lungs? You bet and for good reason.