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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:29:16 GMT, mcs <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I can't believe people care 
>about trimming their grass, building the nices fences and maintaning the 
>streets but the quality of air that is warning level don't bother them?

And thank goodness for them! 

Steve, any careful reading of history will show you that  during
 any kind of crisis, real or perceived, human creativity will go on.

Creativity went on while Nazis choralled Jews in dispicable
ghettos 60+ years ago. It even went on in Auschwitz-Birkenau while countless
people were being gassed, worked and starved to death.

It went on centuries ago in France when people died of famine
in the French countryside while Moliere and his troupe performed
before Louis XIV.

My point is even when there's disaster there will be people who
contain gifts and  enough optimism to live who will try
to maintain a sense of normalcy or will even go beyond simple
things like mowing grass toward greatness.


  

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"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:29:16 GMT, mcs <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I can't believe people care
>>about trimming their grass, building the nices fences and maintaning the
>>streets but the quality of air that is warning level don't bother them?
>
> And thank goodness for them!

Yep for all the hospitals and drs that will make out at their lost health 
expense, not to mention the cost of high violence which took count 3 lives, 
more lives then some Americans who are in a war, says allot about this great 
city? five others in hospital, one other woman found behind school. Just a 
great city..lol
>
> Steve, any careful reading of history will show you that  during
> any kind of crisis, real or perceived, human creativity will go on.
>
For this much is a given as long as there is no nuclear war or devastating 
disease, but keep ignoring the digression, your missing out . I say you 
Karen cause your smart enough, to know the diffeences.and probably have the 
bucks to move to another area.

> Creativity went on while Nazis choralled Jews in dispicable
> ghettos 60+ years ago. It even went on in Auschwitz-Birkenau while 
> countless
> people were being gassed, worked and starved to death.

>
> It went on centuries ago in France when people died of famine
> in the French countryside while Moliere and his troupe performed
> before Louis XIV.
>
> My point is even when there's disaster there will be people who
> contain gifts and  enough optimism to live who will try
> to maintain a sense of normalcy or will even go beyond simple
> things like mowing grass toward greatness.
>
> Um I think I agree with you on one most important point, the press is 
> worthless in pointing out the facts or what people need to know in this 
> city. You simply react about which you read, not about ordinary citizens 
> reaction to real situations. You simply don't know of the extent of damage 
> this quality of air does to quality of life , Remember the part which I 
> complained about years ago? Do you see what that air quality website says? 
> Quality of air equals quality of life and surprise, you can justify that 
> as good in this area, then obviously your not objective, but whatever your 
> on you need to market it. More and more people seem pessimistic about 
> stopping the violence, and if asked depressed about the quality of air but 
> you simply are exposed to those reactions.
In case anyone thinking of coming to Philly there are or were great things 
here, unfortunately our politicians just watch everything deteroriate. other 
cities talk about pollution control , getting buses that run on alternative 
energy, cameras for crime, , etc, Philly and Pa are not doing much so it 
seems. Polluted air and rising gun violence, makes this a hell hole.
> 

>For this much is a given as long as there is no nuclear war or devastating 
>disease, but keep ignoring the digression, your missing out . I say you 
>Karen cause your smart enough, to know the diffeences.and probably have the 
>bucks to move to another area.

While you see the world as glass half-empty, there are equal numbers
of people who see the world as an opportunity and a glass half-full
no matter what horrors are going on concurrently.

"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message 
news:slrneb7o1k.c6c.kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu...
> >For this much is a given as long as there is no nuclear war or 
> >devastating
>>disease, but keep ignoring the digression, your missing out . I say you
>>Karen cause your smart enough, to know the diffeences.and probably have 
>>the
>>bucks to move to another area.
>
> While you see the world as glass half-empty, there are equal numbers
> of people who see the world as an opportunity and a glass half-full
> no matter what horrors are going on concurrently.
>
>Oh I don't doubt that, but one has to determine what is objective and be 
>told of the full facts first in order to determine how many people would 
>choose to be poisoned if everything was equal or live in f rated air . The 
>assumption that people do it  ( live in bad air) don't mean its a decision 
>based on full knowledge of the  consequences. I am sure there are many good 
>reasons to still want to live here even if  people know they might be 
>poisoned because some like you think its not the case or your one of the 
>people  not affected. I am not sure if your instincts are sane based on the 
>information out there, but I am sure your not alone. Sometimes with my 
>adverse reactions to this air trying to warn people, I think its useless in 
>one respect but if it useless its not because the facts are not there to 
>support my contentions. Its one of few issues I can depend on to not have a 
>legitimate response from the other side accept to acknowledge it might not 
>directly affect themselves. I am not sure how they or you can determine 
>that because whatever studies I have seen shows people who live in clean 
>air do better then those that don't. True more studies need to be done and 
>I think its a rather easy way to do them, but like the major press doesn't 
>even care of the published associations as it is, so I don't expect them to 
>care about the subsequent ramifications .or even doing the studies. I am 
>saying if the real studies were done, comparing the costs of health care, 
>the level of health, illness, and cost of prescriptions I am saying those 
>in polluted areas have a huge disadvantage over those that don't , and they 
>have the same disadvantage when it comes to their life span. and incredibly 
>enough having to pay for their lost health too. If you went door to door 
>and told people of this possibility  I am not sure they would NOT be just 
>as unconcerned as you. and would want more information. The way my body 
>shuts down with air like this leaves me to believe others are affected even 
>if not exactly the same way,  because the govt has on some sites adescribed 
>the degree of the pollution and its maybe affects. I happen to think its 
>based on wrong standards with gov siding on polluted levels as moderate and 
>some environmental groups agree
 . Just use me as an example , my body shuts down at moderate level , let 
alone warning levels. I am suggesting that the way the body responds to such 
dosing has been shown to cause disease not whats been done about it to stop 
it/ Virtually nothing, Some companies don't want to be left behind and claim 
they are making changes but its not enough and it may be too late for some 
people who will never regain the level of health others have simply because 
where they live and the gov was not able or didn't want to protect them 
equally. Or politicians didn't want to go after the polluters. I think if 
given the information, even news people and politicians would not want to be 
shown they were being poisoned more then average if its true but right now 
they would rather get old faster too then side on safety ,, assuming they 
read the newsgroups. The most one can hope for from the media is to call all 
this global warming and not pollution. 

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:47:08 GMT, mcs <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote:

> . Just use me as an example , my body shuts down at moderate level , let 
>alone warning levels. I am suggesting that the way the body responds to such 
>dosing has been shown to cause disease not whats been done about it to stop 
>it/ Virtually nothing, Some companies don't want to be left behind and claim 
>they are making changes but its not enough and it may be too late for some 
>people who will never regain the level of health others have simply because 
>where they live and the gov was not able or didn't want to protect them 
>equally. Or politicians didn't want to go after the polluters. I think if 
>given the information, even news people and politicians would not want to be 
>shown they were being poisoned more then average if its true but right now 
>they would rather get old faster too then side on safety ,, assuming they 
>read the newsgroups. The most one can hope for from the media is to call all 
>this global warming and not pollution. 

Pollution is a facet a global warming; it's all part of the same
huge problem.


In any case I think you have the genetic mutation that makes coping in the local
air very hard for you. Likewise I, apparently, don't have this marker
so I cope better in the air. Or rather I have other genetic markers
which compensate for whatever it is that you lack.

Since I'm not sick I don't feel the urgency that you do. We all
have priorities. I have other ones that proceed the ones you have,
i.e. air quality.

"Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:47:08 GMT, mcs <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> . Just use me as an example , my body shuts down at moderate level , let
>>alone warning levels. I am suggesting that the way the body responds to 
>>such
>>dosing has been shown to cause disease not whats been done about it to 
>>stop
>>it/ Virtually nothing, Some companies don't want to be left behind and 
>>claim
>>they are making changes but its not enough and it may be too late for some
>>people who will never regain the level of health others have simply 
>>because
>>where they live and the gov was not able or didn't want to protect them
>>equally. Or politicians didn't want to go after the polluters. I think if
>>given the information, even news people and politicians would not want to 
>>be
>>shown they were being poisoned more then average if its true but right now
>>they would rather get old faster too then side on safety ,, assuming they
>>read the newsgroups. The most one can hope for from the media is to call 
>>all
>>this global warming and not pollution.
>
> Pollution is a facet a global warming; it's all part of the same
> huge problem.
>
>
> In any case I think you have the genetic mutation that makes coping in the 
> local
> air very hard for you. Likewise I, apparently, don't have this marker
> so I cope better in the air. Or rather I have other genetic markers
> which compensate for whatever it is that you lack.
>
> Since I'm not sick I don't feel the urgency that you do. We all
> have priorities. I have other ones that proceed the ones you have,
> i.e. air quality.
>  here is an answer to what I believe about America. I just responded to 
> someone in an anxiety board.
It sums up what I believe about America Today

>actually they are more than merely mentioned; they are talked about ALL
> THE
> TIME;  this nation has been waging a "war on drugs" now for well over
> tweny
> years.  Why it's a "war" I don't really know ... nor do I know why it's
> directed at "drugs" ... apparently nobody ever considered something like a
> "program to help people avoid the dangerous aspects of pharmaceuticals" or
> some such thing.  I guess bellicosity sells.

I am sure there are some differences, one is it employs people, two,
probably the harm is less apparent  because  the drugs pharmacy   give you
has some checks and balances, and some proof of it working. , compared to
illegal drugs. I do think the drugs for anxiety is useless but thats just
me, especially compared to changing lifestyle and habits and understanding
anxiety and acceptance. I will not accept pollution though, helpp~ !
>
>> so if they add the sex part they might have more viewers but I am
>> not sure this is a story made in heaven for 60 minutes.
>
> they have DONE the story; it wasn't Christine's story but it was another
> scare piece
>
Susan, they have done it but our news media is so much about ignoring
reality, and instead focuses on entertainment and fashion and movie stars
now, the shows about people who are on the edge is very limited to who
killed who on prime time and how.. The people inbetween and most other
important issues are totally ignored. Even real crime gets less time then it
use to , but weather ( lies) traffic, and sports gets way more time. The
hard issues, the people without insurance, the people affected by health
issues and why , the war and its detractors and pros are pretty much
ignored. We have been coopted by big companies.When I see what has gone on
in my city with over 200 murders and pollution that is beyond describable
and very little is said, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE , my dreams about what
constitutes America is and has been shattered. There is some good things
still I appreciate but in the end, people on the edge and with problems have
to find out the hard way how to help themselves in the end. There are two
types of people those that know where and how to attain answers and those
that don't. Its scary to be with those tht don't because of finances because
you are often with people who as GARY says JUST IS and just is are often
people who don't believe what is told like me except they want to kill you
too... anyway thats my rant for today

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