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Article #26Re: "opened" minded liberals
From: Frederick Arthur Furia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:25
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:25
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In article <1992Nov4.181554.10763@sadtler.com> rick@sadtler.com (Rick Morris) writes: > >What we know is that wealth is not equal. There are, and will be, rich >and poor. What we feel is that there should be a floor below which >no American citizen should fall. What we argue is whether or not there >should be a ceiling, above which we are penalized for rising, and where >the floor should be built; Federal, State, Local governments, or private >charities or organizations. > >There is a great mix of intelligent conservatism and liberalism here. >Let me throw out a point which I would love to hear discussed. (If you >want me to shut up, just ignore this post. 8-) ) Don't worry about that. One thing most people jump at the chance to talk about is politics. :) >1. For every dollar which the government takes in, it spends $1.80. > (I offer no sources, I think I heard this once!) We just had > that huge "read-my-lips" tax increase and the deficit got bigger. > Reaganism increased revenue to the government many times over. > The deficit mushroomed. It seems to me that to reduce the deficit, > the WORST thing that could be done is to increase taxes. To > increase taxes is to throw wood on a raging fire. The number you mentioned was quoted by Dan Quayle in his fierce debate with Al Gore, but I think it was around before he used it. It's probably pretty accurate. >Okay. I see one flaw. Reagan increased revenue to the government by >decreasing taxes which stimulated the economy. So we are destined to >larger deficits by tax cuts AND by tax increases. How about keeping >taxes right where they are? Might work if spending is kept at current >levels (no "cost of living" increases). Wow. That sounds painless! If Reagan increased revenue to the government by lowering taxes, I'm afraid we're in big trouble, judging from Clinton's plans. He thinks he will get more revenue by increasing taxes! I myself would have loved to see taxes stay right where they are. The thing is, most government officials (i.e. Congress) have an agenda which has little to do with the deficit. Their job is to increase spending on X,Y and Z (determined by their supporters). I think laws today require them to come up with funds for X, Y, and Z if they want their suggestions to be passed, so it's just so easy to throw in a tax to pay for it, even if the tax increases the deficit and hurts the economy, their plan has been passed. Maybe we need a general policy of making them find funds by suggesting cuts in other areas, but that could be bad, too. I'm willing to bet that for each dollar Congress saves cutting defense spending, they'll throw away at least $1.20 on some other idea, claiming the defense cut allows such spending. >(Simple ideas from a simple mind! 8-) ) DITTO! Fred
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!sgigate!rutgers!kb2ear!princeton!der.Princeton.EDU!fafuria From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia) Newsgroups: phl.misc,pa.general Subject: Re: "opened" minded liberals Message-ID: <1992Nov11.082527.3198@Princeton.EDU> Date: 11 Nov 92 08:25:27 GMT References: <1oNmTB1w164w@cellar.org> <1992Nov3.072011.1082@Princeton.EDU> <1992Nov4.181554.10763@sadtler.com> Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 56 Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: der.princeton.edu