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deluca5@pipeline.com (realitychick) wrote:

>tippy@mindspring.com (Tippy) wrote:


>>Still chuckling!

>>***********
>>**Tippy**
>>***********

>>"The most pathetic person in the world is someone who has sight, but has no vision"  Helen Keller

>talk about you can't get there from here!!!
>sure there are dozen of these inter-nut stories.
>maybe my next book should be "when bad things happen to good netters"?

>looking for a title/proposal for the '97 book of the year from deluca
>household;  suggestions of books people cannot =live=without???
>nan

>"The only reality that matters is that which YOU perceive."
When my kids were real little it was "The First Twelve Months of
Life."  No sensible books for the teenage years so far.  Most are way
too unrealistic.

fmomoon

tippy@mindspring.com (Tippy) wrote:


>Still chuckling!

>***********
>**Tippy**
>***********

>"The most pathetic person in the world is someone who has sight, but has no vision"  Helen Keller

talk about you can't get there from here!!!
sure there are dozen of these inter-nut stories.
maybe my next book should be "when bad things happen to good netters"?

looking for a title/proposal for the '97 book of the year from deluca
household;  suggestions of books people cannot =live=without???
nan

"The only reality that matters is that which YOU perceive."

fmo@pipeline.com (David Fryman) wrote:

>:|deluca5@pipeline.com (realitychick) wrote:


>:|>looking for a title/proposal for the '97 book of the year from deluca
>:|>household;  suggestions of books people cannot =live=without???
>:|>nan

>:|>"The only reality that matters is that which YOU perceive."
>:|When my kids were real little it was "The First Twelve Months of
>:|Life."  No sensible books for the teenage years so far.  Most are way
>:|too unrealistic.

>:|fmomoon

Is there a switch that turns off when people become parents?  One that
says "Thou shalt not remember."?  The only woman I know that I would
want for a mother, isn't one.  She's the only one I know who remembers
what it was like being a teenager.  She's **old.**  Like in her 60's.
But she remembers.  Why don't mothers and fathers?  If they did, IMO,
there wouldn't be so many problems.  So, maybe, instead of a book, a
memory course.
--
Drac
...|Orbiters are revolutionary|...

Hey, I remember being a teenager...it wasn't =that= long ago, well, I guess
it was, kinda! ;-)

Actually, I used to ask my parents that, not realizing at the time that
they grew up during the depression and lived thru WWII.

I do remember being a teenager, in the late 60s.  Maybe that is why I got
along better with my kids than a lot of parents I know/knew.  I remember
some of the stuff I pulled, and couldn't get real mad at my kids when they
pulled the same type thing, altho I did sit down with them when they got
caught and talk to them...then ground them.  lol

Maybe parents remember, but don't want their kids to make the same mistakes
they made....
-- 
colomoon

Drac <drac@arcticmail.com> wrote in article
<57vr3d$mrs@camel1.mindspring.com>...
| Is there a switch that turns off when people become parents?  One that
| says "Thou shalt not remember."?  The only woman I know that I would
| want for a mother, isn't one.  She's the only one I know who remembers
| what it was like being a teenager.  She's **old.**  Like in her 60's.
| But she remembers.  Why don't mothers and fathers?  If they did, IMO,
| there wouldn't be so many problems.  So, maybe, instead of a book, a
| memory course.
| --
| Drac
| ...|Orbiters are revolutionary|...
| 
| 

davides@pipeline.com (Knightmoon   �) wrote:

>drac@arcticmail.com (Drac) wrote:

>>Is there a switch that turns off when people become parents?  One that
>>says "Thou shalt not remember."?  The only woman I know that I would
>>want for a mother, isn't one.  She's the only one I know who remembers
>>what it was like being a teenager.  She's **old.**  Like in her 60's.
>>But she remembers.  Why don't mothers and fathers?  If they did, IMO,
>>there wouldn't be so many problems.  So, maybe, instead of a book, a
>>memory course.
>>--
>>Drac
>>...|Orbiters are revolutionary|...

>Nope......point being that mothers and fathers =do= remember and try
>to keep the children from making the same dumb mistakes they made.
>Especially when it comes to stuff that is really dangerous and really
>detrimental,for instance drugs.
>To many teenagers think the parents don't remember - they do. 


>davides@pipeline.com
>Daveed
>Knightmoon   �

Not only do we remember but we are so remorseful of the things we
wasted. 
Tender
wondering about everything...

colomoon <colomoon@pipeline.com> wrote in article
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:

: 
: Actually, I used to ask my parents that, not realizing at the time that
: they grew up during the depression and lived thru WWII.

I remember at some point realizing that WWII and the holocaust wasn't
*really* ancient history when I was a kid......just seemed that way, 'cause
it was taught in school, I guess?  Nowadays twenty five years ago seems
like yesterday, huh?

I do and did remember being a teenager, and when raising my two I was
mostly glad I was raising them, and not another me.  My parents weren't as
lucky as I was, LOL!
Linda

On 3 Dec 1996 04:59:54 GMT, "colomoon" <colomoon@pipeline.com> wrote:

>Hey, I remember being a teenager...it wasn't =that= long ago, well, I guess
>it was, kinda! ;-)
>
>Actually, I used to ask my parents that, not realizing at the time that
>they grew up during the depression and lived thru WWII.
>
>I do remember being a teenager, in the late 60s.  Maybe that is why I got
>along better with my kids than a lot of parents I know/knew.  I remember
>some of the stuff I pulled, and couldn't get real mad at my kids when they
>pulled the same type thing, altho I did sit down with them when they got
>caught and talk to them...then ground them.  lol
>
>Maybe parents remember, but don't want their kids to make the same mistakes
>they made....
>-- 
>colomoon
>
>
 I think you are right. But, I have to point out that this only
applies to parents who care enough about their children to be
concerned with the mistakes they make. 

Wasitchu who deals with way to many parents who do not care about
their children. 
>| 



Wasitchu (The Windrider)
If anything I have written offends you, let me apologize in advance. 


   
                  Through Osmosis                   Rodney C. Walmer   10/23/96

 How can we expect to teach
   How can they learn
     or begin to take us seriously 
When all we do is preach
      and criticize at every turn
We destroy inquisitiveness,
inquisitiveness that develops naturally
given a chance, but, 
in place of learning 
we create mischievous and apathy
learned failure becomes a way of life
and to insure the loss
we pass the child on 
and tell them it is all right
They can�t add, subtract or read
and some can barely write
Why, 
Because as educators we failed
We failed to give them skills they need
in a world that doesn�t care
 if they succeed
or about what they never learned 
back when we weren�t there 
getting a paycheck 
we should have earned. 

wasitchu@mindspring.com (Lazy Red Ace) wrote:

>On 3 Dec 1996 04:59:54 GMT, "colomoon" <colomoon@pipeline.com> wrote:

>>Hey, I remember being a teenager...it wasn't =that= long ago, well, I guess
>>it was, kinda! ;-)
snip
> I think you are right. But, I have to point out that this only
>applies to parents who care enough about their children to be
>concerned with the mistakes they make. 

>Wasitchu who deals with way to many parents who do not care about
>their children. 
>>| 



>Wasitchu (The Windrider)
>If anything I have written offends you, let me apologize in advance. 

snip of great poem

education is the offspring of experience
parents try to give them 2nd hand experience so kids won't learn the
=hard=way.  Also, to be very honest and pragmatic, stupid mistakes
kids make often =cost=parents $$$, time, effort to correct when
possible.  From replacing lost jackets to paying for medicine, doctors
when kid gets sick from running about without aforementioned jacket!!!
[personl experience]

it can be a scary world to the unprotected.
even to those of us who have fallen off the turnip truck eons ago.

my kids are always amazed when i am =right= about something.  so much
for pavlov...repeated experience is not inducing knowledge.  must be
inhibitors in action!!!
nan

"The only reality that matters is that which YOU perceive."

On Tue, 03 Dec 1996 16:01:59 GMT, deluca5@pipeline.com (realitychick)
wrote:

>wasitchu@mindspring.com (Lazy Red Ace) wrote:
>
>>On 3 Dec 1996 04:59:54 GMT, "colomoon" <colomoon@pipeline.com> wrote:
>
>>>Hey, I remember being a teenager...it wasn't =that= long ago, well, I guess
>>>it was, kinda! ;-)
>snip
>> I think you are right. But, I have to point out that this only
>>applies to parents who care enough about their children to be
>>concerned with the mistakes they make. 
>
>>Wasitchu who deals with way to many parents who do not care about
>>their children. 
>>>| 
>
>
>
>>Wasitchu (The Windrider)
>>If anything I have written offends you, let me apologize in advance. 
>
>snip of great poem
>
>education is the offspring of experience
>parents try to give them 2nd hand experience so kids won't learn the
>=hard=way.  Also, to be very honest and pragmatic, stupid mistakes
>kids make often =cost=parents $$$, time, effort to correct when
>possible.  From replacing lost jackets to paying for medicine, doctors
>when kid gets sick from running about without aforementioned jacket!!!
>[personl experience]
>
>it can be a scary world to the unprotected.
>even to those of us who have fallen off the turnip truck eons ago.
>
>my kids are always amazed when i am =right= about something.  so much
>for pavlov...repeated experience is not inducing knowledge.  must be
>inhibitors in action!!!
>nan
>
>"The only reality that matters is that which YOU perceive."
>

Hi Nan, I do not think I have seen you here before. Welcome. Thankyou,
I am glad you liked my poem. I believe I would have to agree with you
on everything you stated. Though, I might add, that parents are
responsible for addittional costs, when their child is indicted for a
crime, or gets pregnant, or becomes involved with drugs, etc. I know
these are hard core examples and do not apply to everyones everyday
life. Your examples OTOH do apply to the everyday family. My
addittional examples however, apply to the world I deal with on a
daily basis. 

Wasitchu who teachs in a poverty stricken crime ridden neighborhood. 

Wasitchu who welcomes nan. 


Wasitchu (The Windrider)
If anything I have written offends you, let me apologize in advance. 


   
                  Through Osmosis                   Rodney C. Walmer   10/23/96

 How can we expect to teach
   How can they learn
     or begin to take us seriously 
When all we do is preach
      and criticize at every turn
We destroy inquisitiveness,
inquisitiveness that develops naturally
given a chance, but, 
in place of learning 
we create mischievous and apathy
learned failure becomes a way of life
and to insure the loss
we pass the child on 
and tell them it is all right
They can�t add, subtract or read
and some can barely write
Why, 
Because as educators we failed
We failed to give them skills they need
in a world that doesn�t care
 if they succeed
or about what they never learned 
back when we weren�t there 
getting a paycheck 
we should have earned. 

	Don't respond to any messages with this subject-- start a new post and
copy what you want in it or remove one of the newsgroups from the top
of the post.  Responses to articles with the subject are posting in
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	I thought I was reading double posts and from people who don't
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                                      _/\/ Dusty \/\_

Wasitchu....
      Was it =really= you???

Missed you.  Glad to see you back.   Fuzzy!   Break out a =fresh=
batch of brownies!!!   

Home is where part of the family waits until the rest of them brings back the car.

Tippy <tippy@mindspring.com> wrote in article
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> 
> ***********
> **Tippy**
> ***********
> 
> "The most pathetic person in the world is someone who has sight, but has
no vision"  Helen Keller
> 
> 
I like that quote.  I'm going to send it to my daughter (blind and has
received several acceptance letters from colleges due to grades and test
scores--she didn't tell them she was disabled when she applied).  Seems
I've heard it before, but it seems particularly appropriate for what she's
going through right now.
-- 
Angelmoon
Most fires are caused by some igniting source coming into contact with
combustible material.
Dept. of Technical Cooperation, Dept. Fire Precautionns

drac@arcticmail.com (Drac) wrote:

>fmo@pipeline.com (David Fryman) wrote:

>>:|deluca5@pipeline.com (realitychick) wrote:


>>:|>looking for a title/proposal for the '97 book of the year from deluca
>>:|>household;  suggestions of books people cannot =live=without???
>>:|>nan

>>:|>"The only reality that matters is that which YOU perceive."
>>:|When my kids were real little it was "The First Twelve Months of
>>:|Life."  No sensible books for the teenage years so far.  Most are way
>>:|too unrealistic.

>>:|fmomoon

>Is there a switch that turns off when people become parents?  One that
>says "Thou shalt not remember."?  The only woman I know that I would
>want for a mother, isn't one.  She's the only one I know who remembers
>what it was like being a teenager.  She's **old.**  Like in her 60's.
>But she remembers.  Why don't mothers and fathers?  If they did, IMO,
>there wouldn't be so many problems.  So, maybe, instead of a book, a
>memory course.
>--
>Drac
>...|Orbiters are revolutionary|...
I remember quite a bit, Drac.  I remember how I drove my parents nuts.
They didn't know what to do with me.  My desire is to do the things
they did right, and do things differently that weren't.  My kids think
I can see into their brains.  I just remember the things I pulled on
my folks and the so-called rationale I used at the time.   I saw a
funny cartoon the other day about a teenaged new driver.  At one point
she yells "I'm not over reacting! I'm a teenager!"  I had to laugh.
Considering some of the kids I have dealt with in the classroom, my
two are good people, but...well... they seem to be determined to drive
me nuts too.  But, yes, I do remember.   That's what scares me.

fmomoon