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Tracy Hornschuch wrote:
> 
> yes let's talk about the Promise Keepers...
> 
> They say they don't and will not dominate women.  That isn't their
> intent...  but after loosing it after watching the news from Portland, OR
> Sunday  I would like to share with you what I think!
> 
> This *husband* comes home.  He claims that he doesn't dominate his wife.
> She says "I just don't understand why people think that he doesn."  (gag
> me with a fork)...
> 
> He says that "someone must drive the *bus* in the family, and that person
> is me."  as he smiles and starts to laugh...
> 
> That is when I lost it.  Man I wish I would have know when they were going
> to show up in the airport... I wouldn have been there.  Then I could have
> lost it on TV!!!!  For everyone to hear.
> 
> I say to this man and any other out there that agrees... "Fuck you!  You
> may believe that you should drive the bus!  But I'm the one who fixes it
> when it breaks... I'm the one who helped build it."
> 
> It's a two-way street.  Not a one-way.
> 
> Also, PK leaves out other belief systems.  What about them?  What don't
> tell me they believe that everyone should convert into Christianity?  I
> don't think so.
> 
> Yes, if you want to believe and support the PK... keep one thing in mind.
> with the divorse rate at 50%, do you really believe that these men
> continue saying the same thing after their wives wants the house, the
> kids, child-support, and allomony?  I don't think so!
> 
> No then they start singing a different tune.  Then they want their wives
> to work and support themselves and the children *they* brought into the
> world.
> 
> I say know youself.  Know your limitations and expectations.  Know your
> partner, and their limitations and expectations.  Learn to accept people
> for them and don't expect them to change.  Learn to meet people half way
> and stop this extreme left and right society.
> 
> I say let them continue, but they better not come knocking on my door, or
> anyother religious organization.  Because I'm too much of a free-spirit.
> And I believe in everyone's rights, basically *human rights*.
> 
> Tracy
> 
> browntr@engr.orst.edu                   | tracyh@teleport.COM
> http://www.engr.orst.edu/~browntr/      | http://www.teleport.com/~tracyh/
> I would like to find a man who wants    | Have you told your children
> to be married and a father for life.    | you love them today?
> 
> "The only safe computer is a dead computer"
> 
> On 7 Oct 1997, John Paulus wrote:
> 
> > Last Friday night on Nightline, Patricia Ireland (President of the National
> > Organization of Women) challenged Steve Chavis (is he related to Benjamin
> > Chavis?), spokesperson for Promise Keepers, to sign a document essentially
> > promising not to dominate/hurt women & gays.
> >
> > I'd like to see Promise Keepers take up that challenge.  They shouldn't bow
> > down to a NOW agenda, but PK should biblically address those issues &
> > concerned expressed.
> >
> > The document should include how, although PK believes that homosexuality is
> > wrong and against God's plan for sexuality, it is no worse than the sins
> > which each PK struggles with himself.
> > In regards to women, they should express their belief in Ephesians 5:21-30,
> > and how men must be like Jesus in terms of holiness, and that no authority
> > can be expected without it.
> >
> > A passage that should be meditated on is John 4, with Jesus and the
> > Samaratan woman.  She was clearly abused by men. So what did Jesus do? He
> > came to her humbly, and addressed the issues she presented:
> >
> > John 4:19-22 (just after Jesus told her -without judgment - that she had 5
> > husbands and was living with a 6th man):
> >
> > "Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. Our fathers
> > worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must
> > worship is in Jerusalem."
> > Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship
> > the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
> > You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for
> > salvation is from the Jews.
> >
> > In the same way, PK'ers need to address issues presented by feminists, but
> > ultimately point to the need of Jesus by all of us.
> >
> > Also, PK should offer to critics such as Ireland a document or statement
> > which asks Critics to judge PK  by the standard set by Jesus Christ.  It is
> > because of Jesus that each Promise Keeper is who he is. It is because of
> > Jesus  that those hurt by men can become free from that pain.
> >
> > Working on aga'pe love
> >
> > --jp-
> >
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Any group who thinks that it is ORDAINED to lead is wrong.  The PK s
have nothing to do with Jesus.

SAA
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