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Tracy Hornschuch wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, M. Poletti wrote:
> > On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:55:59 -0700, Tracy Hornschuch
> > <browntr@engr.orst.edu> wrote:

> [snipped]

> > After the Civil War, it was Christian missionary societies that
> > went down south to provide badly needed education for ex-slaves.
> > It was Christian groups that pressured the British government to
> > send the Anti-Slavery squadron to African waters to *suppress*
> > the slave trade- a trade that African and Arab polities (Zanzibar)
> > refused to stop.
>
> It was also the *good* Christians from the South that wanted to keep
> slavery around.

There are good Christians, there are bad Christians.

There are good feminists, there are bad feminists.

Trouble is, Tracy, you take the evil someone did
in the past and attribute it to all others in that persons
group.

This is a bigoted view.

And one which, after some deep thought,
you should reject.

It certainly is the right viewpoint to examine the
causes of evil, but I don't think you've done that well
enough.  Get over your hatred and look at things
with a clear head.

> Just take a look at the KKK, which believes in Christ... They claim to be
> *good* Christians.  Oh, and yes... they *really* want to stop slavery and
> hatred towards others based on their skin color and religious beliefs.

> Sorry, you'll have to try harder.

You, too.  Don't attribute the evil of a small fewto others who happen to
share a like trait
unrelated to the cause of the evil.
That is bigotry which will prevent
you from examining real causes of
evil, such as greed and a lust for power.<snip>

> WRONG!  It was the Native Americans of this country that taught the
> *white* people how to sow this land.  How to grow veggies.  It was the
> Native Americans of this country that practiced mid-wives and clean
> medical practices and taught the *good* Christians.

Teaching new folks how to live in a new land isindeed an honorable thing.

What's your point?

> Prior to learning these mid-wife and clean medical practices, when a woman
> would go into labor she was taken into a room full of other women giving
> birth.  A doctor NOT wearing any gloves would stick his hand up each woman
> checking for the head of the baby.  He wouldn't clean himself before
> checking the next woman in line.  Many women lost their lives because of
> this.  Many women choose to stay at home and give birth there instead of
> going into the hospitals.

How many were in this 'full' room, praytell.

> The Native American tradition would be that a mid-wife would go into a
> special *room* that was built just for the occation.

A teepee?

> It was there that
> they would wait till the baby was born.  It was the mid-wife that would
> help the mother give birth.

> > It was Christian individuals and groups that lobbied hard against
> > such "advanced" non-Christian practices as head-hunting and
> > cannibalism, and also the sutee in India, a quaint custom requiring
> > that widows should be burnt alive after their husbands died.
>
> Oh yes, and it was the Christians who went from one country to another
> burtally killing native peoples.  Look at South Africa, look at the US,
> look at South America, Canada, etc...

And what should we look at?Bigotry.  When offered a good done by a group,you
turn around and counter with an evil.

Tell us, Tracy, do you want the evils of all
your ancestors attributed to you?

> Look at what Christians did to the Native Americans in this (the US)
> country.  Take a good hard look.  They have done nothing to help them.  We
> took from them.  We stool from them.  And for what?  In the Name of
> Jesus Christ!

Not really.  Most wars in those days were fought over land.In many cases, it
was a conflict over concepts of land
use and ownership.


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