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On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Alan Davis wrote:
> Tracy Hornschuch wrote:
> > On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Alan Davis wrote:
> > > Tracy Hornschuch wrote:
> 
> Well, I've done some dumb things in mylife, but I'm not a dummy.
> I'm not calling you a bigot at all.

You were implying it.. So please stop using the word.

> There are times when I've caught myselfin bigoted views.  It takes some real
> reflection
> and a little help to overcome these views.

You might have had some but I don't.  Plain and simple.  Just because I've
questioned motives, or stated what the concerns are of those who oppose
doesn't mean that I've got bigoted views.  All I did was bring up some
valid questions.  My personal attacks on one peroson is and should not be
taken as my views on Christianity, the PKers, or any religion.

> My ancestry had nothing to do with
> the history of America in the mid eighteen
> hundreds.  Most of them were dying in Ireland.
> While I certainly want to help my fellow human
> being in need, I don't accept responsibility for
> the evil acts of greedy people in the past.

Well neight did mine.  Mine are here after the Civil War, and lived in
Nebraska and Iowa when they arrived.  They never owned slaves.  One my
father's side of the family... they were sent out to Oregon to attend OSU
when is was a religious college and only accepted men.  You see both my
grandfathers were ministers.  One isn't living today, and my grandmother
re-married about 7 years ago to a Catholic.  Oh, and my mother married a
Catholic in the early 70s.  So I even went to a Catholic church for a
while.  In fact I've been to many different churches between California,
Oklahoma, and Oregon.  But I've also took the time to learn about other
religions.  That's why I've quoted the Tao and the Bhagavad Gita.

> > I get blasted a lot by men.  Mainly because I have custody of my three
> > boys, and receive child-support for one of them.  I find myself defending
> > myself daily from these men, and one woman.  And most men will just blast
> > me for that reason, and it won't matter what I'm trying to say or get
> > across.
> 
> I read a book recently jointly written by Cardinal O'Connorand former Mayor Koch.
> When they discussed abortion,
> Koch mentioned a woman who petitioned him on the subject
> quite often.  The difference was, she came to him with
> flowers.  They may have disagreed on the issue, but
> her simply act of charity impressed him, and their
> discussions were always polite and respectful.

Well then, I'm sorry Allan, but you did jump into an argument that was
going on between someone else and me.  You didn't offer flowers to me,
instead you started to say my views were... well I won't use the word.
You offer me flowers and I will discuse any issue with you one a polite
and respectable level.  Just don't use that word.

> > Applogy accepted but let's keep that word bigot out of any future
> > correspondence.  I find it highly offensive.
> 
> Like I said, I've done some dumbthings, but I'm not a dummy.
> We all have some "prejudices"
> within us.  Wise people recognize when
> they surface, and don't allow them to
> influence relationships.

My only prejudices is against one person and only that person.  I've said
some thing to set him off.  But I didn't say anything wrong or personally
attacked the PKers.  If that is how you took it or anyone else, I'm sorry.
I would rather talk about this and not argue.  I just feel that one
person... well I won't get into that.

> >
> > My religion is my views.
> 
> I certainly respect your views.

Then please do not use that word, and don't attack me.  If you want to
know how I feel or believe on a subject I'll tell you.  I will explain
why.

> This is a devil of a place (Usenet) to
> espouse them without a very thick skin.

Yes I know all to well of Usenet and what could happen.  I've met some
good friends, and I've met people that I don't argee with.  The people I
just plainly don't agree with and cannot talk to, I'll just kill-file.  It
is best to do that than to waste time arguing with them.

> > I used to believe that past had nothing to do with me.  Why should I feel
> > quilt?  All those things, just like you.  But it didn't help in trying to
> > feel compassion.  You must have compassion, and to have that you must
> > understand why people feel the way they do.  How else can you learn?
> 
> I agree, but I won't spend time lamenting over the past when there is goodwork to
> be done in the present.
> 

Fine then let's not argue about history.  If you have any questions for me
then ask.  But please do me two favors... 1) don't use that word, and 2)
let's rename the subject. :-)  Some of the topics that have been addressed
are good ones, and it really has nothing to do with NOW's request of the
PKers.

Tracy



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