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Article #33Re: NOW challenge to PK
From: John Paulus
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:00
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:00
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Daniel B. Holzman (holzman@xochi.tezcat.com) wrote:
: In article <3446E897.70081BCB@seas.gwu.edu.NOSPAM>,
: Alan Davis <adavis@seas.gwu.edu.NOSPAM> wrote:
: >
: >> No, sorry, PK theory has the man submitting to god and the wife
: >> submitting to her man.
: >
: >You have bought into Lefty's myth. PK has no such "theory."
: >
: >How long have you been studying PK?
: >What are your references?
: >I've offered quotes, references, and people
: >to talk to to refute this.
: I need look no further than their own writings:
: ". . . sit down with your wife and say something like this, "Honey, I've
: made a terrible mistake. . . I gave up leading this family, and I
: forced you to take my place. Now I must reclaim that role.".
: . . I'm not suggesting you ask for your role back, I'm urging you to
: take it back . . . there can be no compromise here. If you're going to
: lead, you must lead . . . Treat the lady gently and lovingly. But lead!"
: -- Tony Evans, co-editor of Seven Promises
: of a Promise Keeper in "Spiritual Purity" chapter of
: Seven Promises of a Promise Keeper, p. 79-80.
: ". . . I believe that feminists of the more aggressive persuasion are
: frustrated women unable to find the proper male leadership. If a woman
: were receiving the right kind of love and attention and leadership, she
: would not want to be liberated from that."
: -- Tony Evans
: "Don't you understand mister, you are royalty and God has chosen you to be
: the priest of your home?"
: -- Tony Evans, co-editor of Seven Promises of a Promise Keeper in
: The Progressive, August 1996.
: "The demise of our community and culture is the fault of sissified men who
: have been overly influenced by women."
: -- Tony Evans, co-editor of Seven Promises
: of a Promise Keeper in The Progressive, August 1996.
: There was also the op-ed in the CHicago /Trib/ a few weeks ago. It was
: written by a female minister who had a parishoner who became a PKer. He
: stopped coming to Church. When she asked him about it, he told her she
: was no longer his pastor, because the PKers had told him that the proper
: order of things is "men lead, women follow."
The problem i had with that article was that the minister just seemed to fly
around rhetoric. The Bible was not given as any kind of authority. If the
minister felt she had authority, she should have showed him scripture why
she could lead as a minister. (i.e. references to prophtesses, Lydia & other
prominient women in Paul's letters)
--jp--
: --
: Daniel B. Holzman -- Love does not subtract, it multiplies. -- All acts of love
: and pleasure are Her rituals. -- An it Harm none, do what you Will. -- They
: took my name and stole my heritage, but they didn't get my goat. -- The
: word is all of us. -- Remember the Twelth Commandment and keep it Wholly.
--
j.p. paulus 4625 N. Kenmore Avenue #2
shadowm@ripco.com Chicago IL 60640-5024
http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~shadowm/index.html 773/784-5640
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