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Unfortunately for your arguement Gordon,
When "personkind" was tested by temptation,
and chose evil over the Word, it was not the
cause of all that is good in this world, but rather
the eclipse reeason and moral disorder, and the
begeting of evil in human affairs.


On 17 Oct 1997 09:51:09 GMT, (Gordon S. Little) wrote:

>:}In article <6266r4$c1p@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, 
>:}leftylu@ix.netcom.com(Carol Ann Hemingway) wrote:
>:}> 
>:}> In <344545be.27652068@news1.ibm.net> sarsok@ibm.net (Gary Paul Sarsok)
>:}> writes: 
>:}> >
>:}> >In Genisis,
>:}> 
>:}> >It was the woman who sinned against man's law, and the man that 
>:}sinned
>:}> >against God's law. And so it must be that women must not interfere in
>:}> >the roles of a husband and vice versa. We are fundamentaly broken
>:}> >because of the first sin. 
>:}> 
>:}>         -----------
>:}>         hehehee....what if we go back to the garden so that Eve
>:}>         can politely decline?
>:}>         -----------
>:}
>:}The question is, would she?
>:}
>:}My reading of Genesis 2 and 3 is a bit more radical than Genesis 1.  I 
>:}think there's a lot of truth in the Bible, if you read it with a bit of 
>:}imagination.  Genesis 1 is a pretty obvious -- and pretty *good* -- 
>:}description of the Creation.  OK, it got one or two things in the wrong 
>:}order -- like, how can you have the earth bringing forth grass *before* 
>:}you get around to sticking the sun in the sky to provide sunlight for
>:}photosynthesis?  And the time scale was a bit off.  Only six days?  But 
>:}what the heck; if you turn to Ps. 90:4,  it says "For a thousand years 
>:}in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the 
>:}night."  What are a few billion years to God?  Just like a week, really.  
>:}What's a time scale between friends?  :)
>:}
>:}In other ways, it is a good description of the Creation.  It starts with 
>:}the Big Bang ("Let there be light!"), goes on to describe the 
>:}condensation of the Earth from fluid matter, and even gives a hint about 
>:}all life on earth originating in the seas.  (Gen. 1:21 notes that "the 
>:}waters brought forth abundantly" every living creature that moveth, 
>:}including, significantly, "winged fowl.")  It's a lot better than the 
>:}creation myths some primitive people came up with, about giant dragons 
>:}laying eggs that hatched into the Earth and the like.
>:}
>:}Most people can see that much, but it's when we get to Genesis 2 and 3 
>:}that we find an interesting parable about Man's origins from ape 
>:}ancestors.  Adam and Eve were really apes.  They lived in a "garden" 
>:}with trees (primeval forests), scampering around naked.  They apparently 
>:}subsisted on a chiefly vegetarian diet, the fruit of these trees.  It 
>:}was Eve who was tempted by watching some other creature (which may or 
>:}may not have been a serpent) to eat "the fruit of some tree" that was 
>:}formerly not part of the ape regimen.  Clearly what was happening was 
>:}that as the forests contracted, these apes were forced to seek out some 
>:}new food source they were not previously dependent on.  Whether that 
>:}meant moving out onto the savannahs, or (according to a very plausible 
>:}theory) into a more watery environment for a time, it could well have 
>:}been a female who took the very first step in this direction to find a 
>:}new food to feed her hungry infant.
>:}
>:}Paraphrasing Neil Armstrong, that was "one small step for an ape, but a 
>:}giant leap for mankind."  It led our first ancestors out of the "Garden 
>:}of Eden," but once they had left, they could never return -- just as 
>:}Genesis says.  They changed their lifestyle, and took the first step on 
>:}the long upward journey toward humanity.  There were benefits, but there 
>:}was a cost as well.  They were warned that if they ate the fruit of the 
>:}forbidden tree, they would surely die.  And die they did.  They died as 
>:}a species.  They were no longer mere apes; but in time they were reborn 
>:}as humans.  They were told that it was the Tree of Knowledge; and 
>:}knowledge and intelligence are what they acquired, what we have today, 
>:}in consequence of eating its fruit.  It was the Tree of Knowledge of 
>:}Good and Evil.  By eating its fruit, they gave up what some call 
>:}"innocence," and others call "ignorance," but above all they left behind 
>:}their old, happy-go-lucky animal ways in which they never worried about 
>:}such things as morality, and acquired a new human awareness of 
>:}themselves and of the consequences of their acts, including such ideas 
>:}as "right" and "wrong."  These new abilities helped them to survive, and 
>:}more, to survive so well that in time we have dominated the entire 
>:}Earth.  But with our newfound awareness we have also acquired new, 
>:}almost Godlike responsibilities, and new worries.  Acts, including the 
>:}eating of "forbidden" fruit, are not always definable as "right" or 
>:}"wrong," but they all have consequences we must judge.
>:}
>:}It was as they ventured out also that they "realized they were naked," 
>:}and invented clothing to protect them from more hostile climates.  
>:}Genesis 3 condenses millions of years of evolution and exploration into 
>:}a single day.  But the story it tells is still true.  Creationists ought 
>:}to read their Bible to find the truth instead of perpetuating silly 
>:}stories about men's footprints being found alongside dinosaurs'.
>:}
>:}If it was a female who "committed the original sin" and tempted a whole 
>:}tribe of our ancestors out of the "garden," the consequences fell on 
>:}males and females alike.  "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat 
>:}bread."  Life was no longer the old, happy business of plucking fruit 
>:}off trees or grabbing an occasional small animal or insect to supplement 
>:}the diet.  It meant hard work, scavenging, hunting, ranging farther even 
>:}for gathering, and in time the labor of farming.  "Unto the woman he 
>:}said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow 
>:}thou shalt bring forth children."  This was the consequence of physical 
>:}changes in body shape: upright walking, and giving birth to the larger 
>:}head that goes with higher human intelligence.
>:}
>:}"And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."  
>:}I don't personally see marriage as a ruling of husband over wife; 
>:}ironically I think this is a masculine view that some women (feminists 
>:}especially) take advantage of for their own gain, where there is 
>:}actually an exchange of needs taking place and a great deal more 
>:}equality of power than either chauvinists or feminists want to admit.  
>:}But it is a long-term relationship of interdependence; and it's 
>:}certainly true to say that by stepping into this new lifestyle, females 
>:}gave up much of the independence that female apes have, and a great deal 
>:}more sex *equality* -- on men's side -- was realized.
>:}
>:}         Gordon S. Little
>:}     (Gordon.Little@bull.com)

..gary...

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