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Article #12Re: Best Recordable Port'MD Player?
From: Lee Meador
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:00
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:00
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Vivian Collins wrote: > I Hope that; everyone who is complaining about the MD being a lossy > compression technique are true to their beliefs and stick by the > LD player when DVD arrives as DVD uses compression techniques to fit the > entire movie onto a CD I believe that the audio compression used on DVD is lossless compression. Its the same think as shorthand where a new symbol is used for a whole word (or multiple groups of the normal symbols). Since the new symbol is smaller than the whole word, the result is smaller than before. If you pick a bunch of new symbols, the compression ratio can be significant without losing a single bit of information. In other words, the input prior to encoding can be exactly the same as the output after encoding (at a digital level). It's also similar to encryption in its replacement of symbols. But the replacement symbols have to be smaller than the original symbols for compression to result. The ATRAC compression is a "perceptual encoding" in which, not only is the data compressed as described above, the some of the information is removed prior to encoding. The reason it is called "perceptual" is that someone decided what the limits of human hearing are and removed information that "cannot be heard." Many people contend that what was removed can actually be heard (or, really, can be missed. Since its not there you can't hear it, can you?) The video compression on DVD is lossy compression, I think. Someone decided what cannot be seen (or doesn't bother you if you don't see it) and removed that part of the picture before encoding on the disc. The reader decodes and creates a complete picture from what is left. If you wish to see one example of the effect of a bad video compression algorithm, look at a basketball game coming from one of the 18" video sattelite systems. When they pan the crowd, there is too much information to fit in the transmitted signal (even after compression) and some information is removed. When you have all those people moving in the stands, they will twinkle on the screen because of the missing information. I reiterate, the audio isn't lossily compressed on DVD. -- Lee Meador
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f749a,4a56868ab364f8db X-Google-Attributes: gidf749a,public X-Google-Thread: 109f11,4a56868ab364f8db X-Google-Attributes: gid109f11,public X-Google-Thread: fb1f8,4a56868ab364f8db X-Google-Attributes: gidfb1f8,public X-Google-Thread: 10238b,4a56868ab364f8db X-Google-Attributes: gid10238b,public X-Google-Thread: 108c0a,4a56868ab364f8db X-Google-Attributes: gid108c0a,public X-Google-Thread: 147b40,4a56868ab364f8db X-Google-Attributes: gid147b40,public From: Lee Meador <rtbs@onramp.net> Subject: Re: Best Recordable Port'MD Player? Date: 1997/01/21 Message-ID: <32E5972F.3FB8@onramp.net> X-Deja-AN: 211385693 references: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970110151227.22197G-100000@godiva> <32d8399a.2908168@news.uwa.edu.au> <32d8866d.86394698@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32dadd06.6281113@news.uwa.edu.au> <32DCFA98.7038@grenoble.rxrc.xerox.com> <32dd7783.4147936@news.uwa.edu.au> <32dde765.44165444@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32DDFC94.7183@grenoble.rxrc.xerox.com> <32E2B525.41C67EA6@hotmail.com> to: Vivian Collins <dragonentrprises@hotmail.com> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: RealTime mime-version: 1.0 newsgroups: rec.audio.misc,no.audio,fj.rec.av,aus.hi-fi,red.audio.hight-end,rec.audio.tech x-mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I)