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Doug Flynn wrote:
> 
> "Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote
> 
> > If the planet warms by 5C in 100 years, then just you watch when food
> > gets scarce, the bastards will sure eat well, and invade other countries
> > to survive, no problem.
> 
> Look on the bright side - in 100 years all of us in Canberra will have
> waterfront properties.....Doug :-)

Doug is dead right again.

The water level of Lake Burley Griffin can only rise to drown us. 

But that'll mainly be due to the outpouring of manure from Parliment in
that Giant Fancy Outhouse at Capitol Hill where they spend all day
creating new ways of creating manure. Its secretly being piped down the
Monogolo river, and is slowly building up, and thus will raise the river
beds and hence the water levels. Its no good dredging the river for the
manure because when you drag out a bucket of fibs and plant somink then
only a bush of lies will grow.

All jokes asside though, Oz **did have** an inland sea repeatedly in
past epochs when the weather warmed and the ice all melted. Sea levels
were 100M higher than at present. One reason there is so much salt in
inland Oz is because previous seas have slowly dried up.... 
The whole continent of Oz is also drifting north at 50mm per year. In
10,000 years it will be 500km further north, and the weather definately
will change for sure.... 
In 1 million years, don't ask me where Antarctica might be....

Sea levels are now rising about 1mm per year, so at the present rate it
will be 1M higher in 1,000 years, but if we could believe what James
Lovelock has to say, the weather will become unstable and get hotter,
then cooler, hotter, cooler in a time of cycles just like an amplifier
with a mix of positive and negative FB as it begins to oscillate before
becoming saturated, and settling in a somewhat steady hotter state.
Systems with several interacting positive and negative FB loops can be
irritatingly difficult to model, and Earth has such a batch of systems
IMHO. But such systems can then wait for a bit more shit to happen which
will re-regulate the climate to cooler, and that shit that may happen
might include the extinction of most life on Earth, as has happened many
times before. If I were to be an archeologist in 4009 working on an old
rubbish tip from 2009, I might be able to smile at the stupidity of so
many before me, and wonder how the climate modellers could have gotten
things so wrong. Don't ask me what archeology would be like in 200,009.
Probably the calender years will have been re-calibrated to the birth of
someone born who had a far bigger effect than Christ had, or to the
discovery of something Out There, or to the take over of Earth by
Unkindly Folks from planet Orful. ( UFO ) If you go back 30,000 years in
Oz history, there were ppl wandering about drawing pictures in caves and
making whoopee when they could, and they had to wait 28,000 years before
they could buy a calender relating to a Special Bloke who arrived in the
year 0.

So the rate of warming and sea level rise might drastically increase,
and then the 1mm rate per year may become 50 times greater in some
years, also as has happened before.

The politicians will doo too little, too late, and people will have
voted for them to do that. Nobody is ever going to vote for a government
which says "from tommorrow, electricity prices will rise 600%, and the
cost of living will rise 300% so youse basturds can have yer fukinn CO2
reductions yer fuckin want!!" Not even if they said it nicely, and
permitted people to buy Christams presents.

Everyone on the planet wants to get rich, not poor, but to make a
serious change to C02, we must make enormous investments in nuclear
power at a stupendous cost and then stop fucking the planet in 1,001
other ways, such as ripping all the forest down so we can have nice
front doors and kitchen cabinets to please the damn dumb missus who is
pregnant yet again because we used our cock more than ther planet allows
us to.
But with much falling birthrates as education and wealth spreads, there
won't be the energetic young labour to make the changes we need to
make....

I hope we make contact with the many other distant intelligent planets
soon so we may compare notes. Its sobering to think that were we to pick
up any signals from Out There, they might be at least 100 years old, and
utterly out of date.......
The chance of receiving a signal which read "Hi, we are on a planet
which has greenhouse problems, so this is what you have to do" is rather
a low probability. Basically, we are alone with our problems, and that
surely is the essence of the human condition. Its a Humpdy Dumpty
problem. Imagine if we survived OK for 10 million years. That's
civilisation going on for another 1,000 times as long as it already has.
I suggest advancements in ways of being and sending messages we develop
between now and then would not at all be recognisable by the technology
we have now. Its possible the multiverses out there are teeming with
high intelligences and were we to contact just one it might be like
discovering God for the first time, instead of imagining Him as we have
for the last brief few milleniums as a series of invented superstitions.
Then imagine making contact with thousands of intellgences Out There.
One God? C'mon, that's another very limited idea. But shit happens of
course, and many such wondrous intelligent life forms would have fucked
themselves up by now and dissapeared in a gamma radiation burst.
So we still wouldn't have a clue what God was though.

I personally think that when we are young and dumb, there's a special
hormone that makes us think we are something much more special than we
really are, and it drives us to root sheilas and produce offspring and
want everything to propel our species forward. Anyway, as age takes a
grip, we loose the *fool* hormone, and we see the follies of our
existance and the smoke of old dreams. Remember, most history was
created by young blokes and they didn't often live very long......

We don't learn until we are forced to.

Patrick Turner.