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Peter Larsen wrote:
> 
> Patrick Turner wrote:
> 
> > And once we find several planets suitable for human habitation, then
> > many won't feel guilty about trashing this planet entirely, because
> > the future kiddies can make a mess after moving to a new planet. So
> > we won't just be a pox here, we'll become a Galactic Pox, and maybe
> > become a Universal Pox.
> 
> Check the specs for this planet: "stone planet in the water zone with
> stabilizing moon and a double iron core due to previous impact of similar
> sized body at exactly the right angle to put its litosphere up there and the
> iron core below our feet".
> 
> This here precious planet we live on is rare beyond the point of
> improbability.

Bollocks.

The probablility that our kind of planet exists elsewhere is extremly
likely. 

Once you say it is improbable for a planet like ours to exist elsewhere,
and in a form which would be easy for us to colonise, ie, no hostile
natives, nice clean air like ours, clean water, and mild temperature
etc, etc, then you must define the probablity to numbers, say maybe 1
planet in 10 million samples. But 10 million is a tiny astronomical
number and there are billions of galaxies each with billions of stars
each with a their own little/big solar system. So there are probably
millions of habitable planets available for us to move to to fuck up
like we are fucking up this place. Some will have already been
thouroughly well rooted by their own experiments with evolved
intelligence, while some may have survived the experiment and would be
so advanced beyond us that they will see our space ships as a bunch of
angry little mozzies, and one little spray with death rays and our
little brave explorers will be fried to a vapour before they realise
anything is wrong.

We have hardly begun to scratch the surface of what lies Out There.

Then there are all the other endless universes beyond the tiny little
one we find ourselves in. If time has been going on before the Big Bang,
then it stretches back to the beginning of time, which is way beyound
our comprehension, and the end of time stretches the other way beyond
our comprehension. Since the feeble human brain is a very tiny finite
bunch of matter, it cannot contain the information needed to describe
the universe we are within, because the knowledge is infinite, let alone
a simple explanation of what lies outside our known universe. All this
is the sobering fact about our feebleness. We like to think we are a
smart species, but in cosmic terms we are little more developed than a
cat. And I've known some cats which were nicer creatures than many
humans. 

> 
> Make no mistake btw: the pacific ocean IS the impact crater and the
> continent migration and eartquakes are caused by hour planet not yet having
> settled after that impact.

Hmm, I think you have a limited scientific knowledge. Just because you
see that the Pacific Ocean is a big hole full of water, it does not mean
it is a huge crater. The world's continents are thin layers of solid
rock floating on top of a hot molten core whose heat is generated by
radioactive decay, no? There are convention currents in the molten core
which move slowly, and thus carry the continents around like leaves upon
a pond. Where these continents are being brought together or pulled
apart, or where they slide past each other causes the stresses and
earthquakes we experience.

If you could take a holiday for 10 million years on Escapia, that planet
with blue seas and plenty of nice mermaids, and then return, you'd find
that Oz had moved north some 500km north at the current rate it is now
moving. The world map would be rather different. In 100 million years
the travel would be 5,000km, and maybe you'd find the Pacific ocean had
become a puddle. But maybe also a bit hard to predict. There could also
be asteroids hits during this and followed by mass extinctions or life
lasting hundreds or thousands of years, but some life has survived each
mass extinction event. Its all happened before, and the fossil record
shows many such mass extinctions followed by renewals of evolution
within the changed environment. Of course thie doesn't suit those who
believe the Earth was created about 6,000 years ago by an old guy with
white beard in the sky. But something, call it a God if you want to must
have designed the laws of physics and let them evolve, so God is Great,
sure enough, whatever God is.  

As evolution continues, the cream tends to float to the top.
But all manner of scum also floats to the top.

We don't need or want an asteriod hit right now, but it looks inevitable
that one will occur sometime in the future.
Meanwhile, in the blink of an eye in cosmic time Homo Sapiens has become
equivalent to a continuous volcanic eruption spewing gigatons of crap
into the air and oceans where it rests very uneasily. 

Maybe you should read the books of James Lovelock to know more, then
read books by those who oppose the views of Lovelock, so you can make
your mind up. But if you read nothing, then you'll learn nothing, and
remain ignorant and supersticious. And of course what does it matter or
mean if you knew the truth about Nature? You'll still have to pay a
mortgage and pay the bills and suffer the pains of life.

So it pays not to be an arsole for the rest of us to deal with while you
are here for your brief little life, OK!

If you divide all the Earth's attributes by about 6.5 billion, then you
can understand how big your portion of the world is in terms of square
metres of land and tonnes or air.
 
You can know how much arrable land and forest and sea and mountains and
ice has your name on it. How many gum trees and kangaroos you own.
If you do this set of calculations over several evenings, you'll find
out that your piece of the Farm isn't entirely huge, and that your
actions in being human upon your patch of Dear Earth will have an
effect. So if you dig huge holes to mine something, drill oil wells,
then light fires all the time, and farm wastefully, the bit of sea you
have will become muddy, and the skies will be smoky, and the land will
degrade and your own bit of forest will have much reduced biodiveresity,
and you'll upset your neighbours and your animals on your own Patch.

And in 50 years when the Earth's population might become 12 billion,
everyone's slice of the farm will become half what it is now, and
everyone wants to live like a king on their little block so the pressure
on resources on each allottment will also double, so in 50 years the
pressure will be 4 times what it is now, and having to deal with the
effects of making a mess for the last 250 years of industrial
"progress".

With luck, enough of the world's population will become educated enough
to know what's likely then become well depressed about the future so
that they become sexually dysfunctional, stop fucking, then not have
children. This has already happened in many countries like Japan and
Italy etc, and they have many ageing old people and a lot of
masturbating youngsters who won't leave home until they are 40 with a
birthrate below what is a population replacement rate. But such
dysfunctionality should be rewarded by governments to ease the burdens
of living of future generations.
The Chinese went active about it and said one child per couple is
enough, and they have tried to enforce it Until we can have a positive
instead of negative effect on Nature, the Chinese approach is laudable,
IMHO. But many wanna get rich like us..... The Indians also want a slice
of Apple Rich Pie as well, and the queue of have nots for the goods and
services available at a supermucket called Consumerania now stretches
thousands of kilometres down Earth's dusty roads.....

So for each person who is appalled at what is happening to Earth, there
are 10 who are hell bent on ruining it.


Patrick Turner.

  
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> > Patrick Turner.
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>   Kind regards
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>   Peter Larsen