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Doug Flynn wrote:
> 
> "TT" <TTencerNoSpaM@westnet.com.au> wrote
> 
> > As a side issue this is the reason *why* Ethanol for fuel will never, ever
> > be a reality.  It is unconscionable to grow food for fuel when people are
> > starving!
> 
> If you're going to play that hand, then you would have to admit that beef
> production is also unconscionable, given that you could feed 10 times as
> many people from the land you use to grow the grain used to feed the
> animals......Doug

And if vacuum tubes were not made there would be much labour and
material which could be devoted to the starving masses.

Your basic argument could be made 1,001 times over about everything.

I just read 'The Vanishing Face of Gaia', by James Lovelock.

Our species is a pretty flawed species to be sure, and we will get our
comuppance as time rolls by.

Just image Canberra being 5C average temp warmer. Our winters would be
like Sydney's, and our summers like Bourke.
The growing season for food will become a lot shorter, and we won't be
able to export any food and we will battle to feed the 50 million who
will live in Oz in 100 years.  
Then imagine the sea levels swamping all the coastal cities with water
100 metres above where it is now, as it has been many times before.
Then we will have to rebuild everything, thus causing more CO2. 

Don't worry, a good number will survive the future.

Its nature, it goes down the gurgler sometimes, the rises up again. 65
million years ago, a big rock hit earth and fucked up life real big time
for many thousands of years. That rock event was a big one but there
have been a fair few others before it over the last few hundred million
years. But life still went on, and we eventually evolved from the tiny
mammal critters back then.
But we then became the dominant species, and each one of use needs 2kW
of power to live, 24/7, which is a 20 fold increase on what it was per
head when there was only a billion of us. So we have become like a big
rock, or a non stop volcano.  

The stupid ethanol issue is one of many that is merely tinkering around
the edges, like trying to tune the piano before continuing with terrible
music as the Titanic very slowly sinks. If they played better music, ie,
didn't do ethanol, then maybe we wouldn't mind when we sink with the
ship. But the ethanol is only one problem of 1,001 others, many much
larger....
They say when sea levels rise to a maximum when all the land ice has
melted then the land submerged is equal to the area of Africa.
This implies africans will drown, not americans, but that is not quite
right. There will be some mass migrations and wars as the waters and the
temperature rises. I won't be around.

So if yer don't worry, and let the world go to hell as it wants to, then
you can be happy.

Patrick Turner.