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On Mar 5, 7:37 am, rakmanenuff <rakmanen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 6:49 am, WillStG <will...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >     Do I detect a subconcious fear of education?  Don't think great
> > R&B singers are untrained, natural talent, working R&B records just
> > about every singer and session player who came in told me the same
> > story, they learned it in Church.
>
> Do I detect really cliched definitions of what constitutes
> "education", "correct" etc...?

    Not at all. But Dave Brubeck told me one time the secret to his
success was always working with people that were better than himself.
I have seen my share of people who think it is "unoriginal" to learn
anything from someone else.  While ironically they do their best to
cop everything their favorite artist does, usually badly and often to
their own detriment.  Is a compulsive need to reinvent the wheel
artistic intergrity or arrogant stupidity?  Look, many kids today
think having "total artistic control" over what they do will make
their work better, more real.  But without  someone in the position of
Producer, would there ever have been a Beatles?  Would Jimmy Page ever
have learned anything?

    I think the internet is fine, but it is no substitute for real
life teachers and mentors.

>
> I'm far from "untrained" - personally,
> but I don't think the exact route someone takes is
> important as long as they put in serious work to get
> good at what they do.
> A well trained, specific singer can be an excellent thing,
> and a quirky self-taught singer can be a wonderful
> thing too, Sinatra/Whitney vs The Clash/Lil Wayne
> and whatnot.
>

     I love folk art.  But with singing, you can damage your
instrument and limit it's useful life.   I'm not great at singing, but
I enjoy it and would feel crappy if my own stubborness led to it being
rendered useless.

>
> If a person prefers red wine with certain meals and
> diet coke with certain other meals, does than automatically
> mean they're filled with "hate", lol?

    Didn't say it, and meant no such thing.

>
> I like all types of music personally, but there are limits
> to how much punk rock you can stick into an ambient
> IDM tune before it turns into a mish mash that no
> ordinary music fan would like or wanna buy, even
> if people into creativity or art might appreciate it.
>
>
>
> > You just need to find a flexible teacher
> (snip)
> > a good teacher is a wonderful, helpful thing.
>
> Lol, like.. a teacher so flexible that they can
> teach an old bloke like me to sing like Avril,
> rap like Chamillionaire, play guitar like
> Joe Pass... uh... yeah I think there is such
> a flexible teacher/learning environment out there,
> it's called the "internet".

   Ever hear the saying, "When the student is ready the teacher will
appear"?  Even with a teacher you have to do the work yourself.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits