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Article #2380Re: Melodyne vs V-Vocal vs.....?
From: rakmanenuff
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:22
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:22
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On Mar 4, 5:33 pm, WillStG <will...@aol.com> wrote: > Perhaps Zero-G's stuff (LEON, LOLA, Miriam, etc...) would be of > interest to you. The sampled all the phenomes of a few great singers > and built virtual singer plugins based on the actual person. > > http://www.zero-g.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=804 Lol. Thanks for the links. Appreciated. U gave me what I asked for, but..... Hilarious. They sound bl..dy awful :) That's what will happen if all the notes are entered via mouse or keyboard with the voices of theatre-trained $%^&£*@!s from London's West End. The "portamento" aspect of it was interesting though. Oh well. But with different source singers and more integration between guide vocals and artificial tones it must be possible to take it way further. > But a good vibrato should happen naturally, when you sing > correctly - and safely. Incorrect singing can damage your voice, some > say permanently. But it's a natural thing, picture a ball suspended > with strings above and below. Properly relaxed and balanced between > the two, the ball will vibrate evenly/produce a natural vibrato. But > too much tension below and notes pull flat, above and notes pull > sharp. If you are having trouble a good voice teacher can get you > pointed in the right direction so you don't hurt yourself, and singing > is supposed to be a fun life activity, not just commerce.... Yeah but that's quite subjective. To some people the "oLLLLLLD mAAAAAN riiVVVVVVeRRRRR" or typical "Jazz" vibrato sounds good, (not to mention Opera) but to others those sound terrible. Likewise when Reggae singers try to sing R&B the reggae vibrato (which sounds great in the context of reggae) wrecks it. Some Irish or Welsh singers have a fast vibrato, 3X as fast as the Reggae one, some styles have moved away from vibrato and either keep it straight/subtle or use note-bending instead. I'm sure it's possible to find decent session singers in Nashville or LA, but in London you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that don't sound like Theatre or really lame 60s/Aretha clones.
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