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On Mar 4, 2:22 pm, rakmanenuff <rakmanen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 5:33 pm, WillStG <will...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >    Perhaps Zero-G's stuff (LEON, LOLA, Miriam, etc...) would be of
> > interest to you.  The sampled all the phenomes of a few great singers
> > and built virtual singer plugins based on the actual person.
>
> >http://www.zero-g.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=804
>
> Lol. Thanks for the links. Appreciated.
> U gave me what I asked for, but.....
>
> Hilarious. They sound bl..dy awful :)
>
> That's what will happen if all the notes
> are entered via mouse or keyboard with
> the voices of theatre-trained $%^&£*@!s
> from London's West End. The "portamento"
> aspect of it was interesting though.
>
> Oh well. But with different source singers
> and more integration between guide
> vocals and artificial tones it must be
> possible to take it way further.
>
> >     But a good vibrato should happen naturally, when you sing
> > correctly - and safely.  Incorrect singing can damage your voice, some
> > say permanently.  But it's a natural thing, picture a ball suspended
> > with strings above and below.  Properly relaxed and balanced between
> > the two, the ball will vibrate evenly/produce a natural vibrato. But
> > too much tension below and notes pull flat, above and notes pull
> > sharp. If you are having trouble a good voice teacher can get you
> > pointed in the right direction so you don't hurt yourself, and singing
> > is supposed to be a fun life activity, not just commerce....
>
> Yeah but that's quite subjective. To some people
> the "oLLLLLLD mAAAAAN riiVVVVVVeRRRRR"
> or typical "Jazz" vibrato sounds good, (not to mention
> Opera) but to others those sound terrible.
> Likewise when Reggae singers try to sing R&B the reggae vibrato
> (which sounds great in the context of reggae) wrecks it.
>
> Some Irish or Welsh singers have a fast vibrato, 3X as
> fast as the Reggae one, some styles have moved away
> from vibrato and either keep it straight/subtle or use note-bending
> instead.
> I'm sure it's possible to find decent session singers
> in Nashville or LA, but in London you'd be hard pressed
> to find anyone that don't sound like Theatre or
> really lame 60s/Aretha clones.

    Do I detect a subconcious fear of education?  Don't think great
R&B singers are untrained, natural talent, working R&B records just
about every singer and session player who came in told me the same
story, they learned it in Church.  Some Churches have incredible
Performing Arts training going on, to where I decided I was culturally
deprived growing up.  Once you learn the basics, you can take it in
whatever stylistic direction you want. But I think it's a major
misconception to think that learning "correct" singing equates to the
kind of singing you hate. You just need to find a flexible teacher who
understands where you want to go.  There are a lot of vocal tricks to
learn too, just like there are tricks when you play guitar, or when
you want a growl or harmonics on sax, or anything.

     You don't _have_ to use vibrato.  But if you have your mechanics
down, it occurs naturally is what I was saying.  And with a "free"
voice, you don't get a flat wobble or pull sharp all the time either.
Not that I'm a great singer, I screwed my voice up singing wrong for a
long time.  But I know enough to know what I don't know, and a good
teacher is a wonderful, helpful thing.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits