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Article #2482Re: De-essing...
From: chestek
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:32
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:32
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thepaulthomas wrote: > On Jul 24, 3:45 pm, Robert Orban <donotre...@spamblock.com> wrote: >> It actually takes *two* compressors and a highly selective bandpass or >> highpass filter, which a parametric EQ may or may not have. A good de- >> esser looks at the ratio between the broadband level and high frequency >> level and adjusts the ratio as necessary to prevent the high frequency >> level from sticking out from the broadband level. The problem with the >> parametric EQ/single-compressor technique is that the de-essing action is >> highly level-dependent. >> >> The Orban 516EC and its successors use the "ratio" method, as do the dbx >> de-essers, which were introduced later. The Orban de-essers use a >> broadband level detector to modulate the threshold of a feedback >> compressor with a frequency-dependent sidechain, while the dbx de-essers >> use two decilinear RMS detectors, one of which is fed by a bandpass >> filter, to compute the ratio, which is simply a subtraction in the log >> domain. >> >> The esses can be reduced by at least two methods. The Orban units use very >> quick wideband compression, which I find to be essentially artifact-free >> if the designer has chosen appropriate attack and release times, which >> tend to be *much* faster than commonly used for normal vocal compression. >> (The release time of the 536 is about 30 ms.) By "artifact-free," I mean >> that there is no audible gain pumping or other dynamic instability. >> >> The dbx units allow you to use either broadband GR or lowpass filtering. >> For voice-only tracks, I strongly prefer the wideband technique, which >> does not color the esses. Lowpass filtering can be useful if one is trying >> to rescue a mix in which the vocal has not been correctly de-essed, but I >> don't know of any "set it and forget it" technique for de-essing a mix. >> >> >> Bob Orban > Thank you for the "look behind the scenes" Bob....much appreciated information!! Jeff
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